Tuesday, January 1, 2013

January 2013

What will be smack worthy in 2013 ?

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Anonymous said...

and over we go

Anonymous said...

Ok, reading the last page makes me ask what makes a good quality store to shop or even browse in? I have seen some of you say you look at a header and leave, so why does the look of a store make you turn away? Don't people browse through stores because of a designer they saw or a sale posted somewhere? How many here will be honest about their reasons to shop or not shop at a store? Put the poser crap and tagger crap aside as I'm tired of hearing about it and how bad it is, we get that, we know that, move on. What stores bother you, who's store theme is good, who's sucks, and who is ok? For me, not that anyone cares, I like to browse stores when I have time, just to see what they offer and can put their theme aside, and if they have nothing I like, I usually mark them off my list. So list em, tell us who gets your vote and why.

Anonymous said...

A digi-store's front page is like any brick and mortar store front. It's the first impression a potential customer has, and sometimes the only impression you're going to get.

Sometimes a poor quality (outdated, blurry, pixelated, etc) can give shoppers the initial impression that their products will be loaded with the same poor quality. It's also a good indication on whether or not the store owner is actively interested in the store's success and/or potential.

How can a store owner know who is a quality (not style, just quality) designer is if they can't even get their store front to be quality.

Sometimes a store front can also indicate the style of product that will be in the store. OSD is a good example of this. I think their store front matches the style of product that is sold there. TLP is actually the antithesis to this (imo) as I think their store front looks very dated and not like the modern & clean lined products they sell. So sometimes looks can be deceiving.

There are times when I've shopped at a store, despite the look of it, because I've been linked to a product I've liked. But I won't buy it if that's the only thing in the store I like. I will try and see if they sell elsewhere.

I tend to like clean modern lines in a store front. Minimalism is good regardless of the theme. It's rarely the storefront itself that keeps me from shopping somewhere (that would be stupid if I like the products sold there). But I've usually found that the store front is usually a good indicator of what kind of products are inside for the most part. I don't know if that's because certain designers are more drawn to a style of store maybe? A contemporary scrap designer might be more drawn to a clean lined store likewise a traditional designer might be more drawn to a storefront that has lots of flowers and "traditional" looking headers.

Anonymous said...

Scrap flower is going to go to the shits with Joyce as the new owner. She was just being greedy when she bought it.

Anonymous said...

We don't need a "nice" blog. What we need is a higher quality group of smackers. Those who can argue without just calling everyone idiots and telling them they are stupid. You know, maybe actually defend their point of view in a well thought-out and intelligent manner. That would be novel.

Anonymous said...

I mostly agree with #3. No one would shop at Nordstrom if they walked in and it was decorated in garish 70s style and smelled of incense (That's Spencer Gift's schtick). You project an image with your storefront.

Anonymous said...

We don't need a "nice" blog. What we need is a higher quality group of smackers. Those who can argue without just calling everyone idiots and telling them they are stupid. You know, maybe actually defend their point of view in a well thought-out and intelligent manner. That would be novel.
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I believe we already have that here. I have read through many an intelligent debate about a wide variety of subjects here. Not sure what it is you're looking for, you will always have a few cursing name callers no matter where you go. Just need to weed through them.

Anonymous said...

Your store header appears on every page in the shop. If I click a product, I see the header and it should enhance, but not detract from, the products because it becomes part of the "packaging."

ScrapMatters does this well, as does Sweet Shoppe. I don't agree with #3 about TLP in that their products are modern and clean lined - some are, but most aren't. I do find their header a bit cliché and literal, though, and it's not a favorite of mine. It's not garish, though, and doesn't prevent me from shopping there when they have a decent sale.

I also love OSD's header (although it's a bit too tall), but I hate their packaging and how the two look together on a page.

This is a visual business. Thinking about how everything looks together in a store is important.

Anonymous said...

8 said "ScrapMatters does this well, as does Sweet Shoppe. I don't agree with #3 about TLP in that their products are modern and clean lined - some are, but most aren't. I do find their header a bit cliché and literal, though, and it's not a favorite of mine. It's not garish, though, and doesn't prevent me from shopping there when they have a decent sale."
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I like TLP's header, but I don't mind a little lilypad and a frog--the header is still pretty streamlined, which I like. I have a question for 8: if TLP is too literal, is SO too literal for you, too? (And yes, I am asking this seriously. I'm not trying to be a jerk--I thought I better clarify since this is a smack blog.) To me, SO's header is way too literal and full. And I get so sick of their Orchard/apple/bee references. They call their GSO the "honey pot." Do they know what "honey pot" is slang for? It's the opposite of what a good lo should be connected with. But I love SO's store and every designer I've ever had to contact with has always been pleasant/had good customer service, so I'll still shop there. But yes, I do laugh when I read about someone's LO being the GSO Honey Pot. Is that like being the shiniest shit in the toilet?

Anonymous said...

9 - Yes! I hate SO's header AND packaging. The header is so cartoonish and literal - along with all those stupid references to honey bees, honey pots, buzzing, and fruits. Gag.

Their packaging isn't uniformly used and most have papers hanging outside of the borders which looks sloppy and makes you wonder why the border doesn't go all the way to the edge. Some have staggered papers, too, which looks even more sloppy to me. It's all wasted real estate on an already small image.

Then some are gray and some are white/clear. Why have standard store packaging at all if they don't look the same?

You can see what I mean right on their store front page. Horrible first impression.

Anonymous said...

I have noticed when designers hop from store to store their products look different. Store Packaging is very important. It can class up a kit or bring it down.

Anonymous said...

Okay so I'm trying to do a few challenges at TLP this weekend and I keep seeing this crazy chick Trista who is obsessed with kissing the frog. She hasn't let anyone have an oppurtunity to kiss the frog and all this for a $6 Giftcard. Crazy!!!
By the way for those of you who don't understand what I'm referring to in the forums a graphic of the frog appears in apost and the first to comment under that I kissed the frog has a chance to win a gift card.
This gal Trista is smooching that frog like crazy.

Anonymous said...

I was a paper scrapper then went digital last year. All I see are single layouts. Does anyone scrap double layouts? I've checked out a few galleries, but want to see more 2 sided layouts. Are there any good scrappers out there that scrap side by side?

Anonymous said...

People get a little crazy during the Kiss the Frog game.

Anonymous said...

#13 - I know there are a few at SSD, SBB and SM, but I can't remember their names. Usually only 1 side is loaded at a time in galleries, though, so maybe keep that in mind as you look in galleries.

Anonymous said...

12 - Trista is a CT hoarder anyway. Not surprised.

Anonymous said...

WTH? I just got an automated email from Polka Dot Plum saying they had deleted my profile (shopping cart/etc and stuff)....are they closing or anyone know what's going on?

Anonymous said...

Queen Pamedalah is the only designer (and the owner) so who knows what she's doing with it. It appears to be open, but with her you never know what will happen next month.

Anonymous said...

16- That has nothing to do with the Kiss The Frog game. Your supposed to kiss it the most times to win the GC.

Anonymous said...

Thanks #18....shall wait and see....

Anonymous said...

Scrap flower is going to go to the shits with Joyce as the new owner. She was just being greedy when she bought it.
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Explain please. Owning and running a store is no picnic.

Anonymous said...

I think the last person to win the Kiss the Frog game become a guest polly (misslovescraps). I'm sure Trista wants a spot--99% of the people over there want a CT spot, including me.
Yes, she has lots of kisses. Good for her. Sorry you're a poor sport about not being able to kiss the frog. There are lots of names in the Kiss the Frog thread, but nice job saying Trista's the "only" person kissing him. I hope she wins.

Anonymous said...

#22 I didn't even participate in the kiss a frog challenge but I was sick of seeing her on all the other challenges kissing the frog and starting a conversation about her smooches and chapstick and messing up the games.
Good for her for being number 1 in kissing the frog, I just find it ridiculous.
I'm not a poor sport, I just played for fun, I don't care about ct spots or polly whatevers,I'm a customer and decided to snif around the games and challenges for once.They were fun.

Anonymous said...

Tracy King Anderson (aka Trixie Scraps) needs to get over being a drama queen!

Anonymous said...

#24 Ha! So what did she do "this time"?

Anonymous said...

Tracy King Anderson (aka Trixie Scraps) needs to get over being a drama queen
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Why, what's going on?

Anonymous said...

#24 - if she did, you wouldn't have anyone to smack

Anonymous said...

Tracy King Anderson (aka Trixie Scraps) needs to get over being a drama queen!
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I've seen this on here before but have never seen any specific examples. Got any?

Anonymous said...

#4 how can a store that went belly up go "to the shits?"..was it not already there?

Anonymous said...

12 - Trista is a CT hoarder anyway. Not surprised.


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This always cracks me up when I see it...not just about Trista but anyone who is on lots of ct's. That appears to make some irritated but not sure why?? Is it because they don't do that good of work when they're on several or is it because others don't get a chance to be on the ct?? What's the prob? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

I've never seen of heard drama about trixie scraps other than being late on blog trains

Anonymous said...

I heard she got kicked out of PBP because she wanted special treatment.
Her design style is a rip off from other long established designers, yet she thinks she is better than anyone else and needs to be treated like royalty!
Fat Tracy needs to toughen up!

Anonymous said...

#32 - so you heard something you can't confirm and you know what she thinks.

I'm impressed with your proof.

And then you go and ruin it by calling her fat. Tut, tut.

Anonymous said...

#32 your post says much more about you than it does her.

I know she's been late on blog trains but I really don't see that as a big deal.

Still looking for an example...that's specific.

Anonymous said...

Don't call people fat....it's not nice and it's also not nice spreading stories either!

Anonymous said...

There is no hiding the fact that she is fat.....sorry that should say morbidly obese!

Anonymous said...

I know she doesn't look anything like the photo she uses in all the forums and Facebook. That's misleading for the customers!

Anonymous said...

Who else can we smack?

Anonymous said...

The evil witches are back again...

Anonymous said...

That's misleading for the customers!
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Why would a photo of a person leads or misleads customers? Do customers really care about a designer's look anyways? How does that influence the designer's skills, and the products the customer will buy?

Anonymous said...

I know she doesn't look anything like the photo she uses in all the forums and Facebook. That's misleading for the customers!
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Only if she was working for Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig.

Anonymous said...

#35 and #36 - are you the same person?

Anonymous said...

We would probably not be surprised to learn that a lot of designers and CTs are overweight. That's just what happens when you spend a lot of time sitting down at a computer. No need to smack about it though.

Anonymous said...

We would probably not be surprised to learn that a lot of designers and CTs are overweight. That's just what happens when you spend a lot of time sitting down at a computer
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Yeah, okay, if you say so.

Anonymous said...

Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig...great idea!
Should we email her and ask if she is interested?
To #40 of course looks can influence. If Tracy used a current photo I am sure some customers wouldn't buy from her. I for one wouldn't!

Anonymous said...

To #40 of course looks can influence. If Tracy used a current photo I am sure some customers wouldn't buy from her. I for one wouldn't!

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Are you really that shallow? How sad.

Anonymous said...

To #40 of course looks can influence. If Tracy used a current photo I am sure some customers wouldn't buy from her. I for one wouldn't!
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That's because you are an asshole and, I suspect, a troll.

Anonymous said...

Yep, there must be a few trolls here.....but whats new!
Size is not the main topic here, it's behavior! She is probably here reading this and crying into her keyboard by now....and saying 'poor me nobody loves me'! Boo hoo!!
Instead she should be questioning her attitude and working at changing it. Responding to emails or messages would be a great place to start.

Anonymous said...

#15... Thanks. I didn't think of that.

Anonymous said...

Why does it matter what a person looks like if you're buy a product? You're not dating her.

Anonymous said...

#50 LOL
Why would anyone want to!

Anonymous said...

Good grief.

Anonymous said...

#49, some stores do 2-page challenges. TLP has one going on right now so you can see a bunch right in the thread. http://www.the-lilypad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21851

Anonymous said...

17-They've been inactive for months now. It's about time they closed. That used to be a fun place to hang out.

Anonymous said...

With all the talk about forums being either inactive, or just full of CT posts, are there forums out there that are still lively, interesting, and have a community feel to them? Or are forums just a thing of the past and people are simply moving to some other ways to connect (if they still want to connect)?

Anonymous said...

I jumped over the TLP and they have some nice challenges. The only problem is that you have to use 75% of their products and I don't usually buy from them. I don't like their designers. So I guess I won't be joining.

Anonymous said...

#56 What designers do you like? I lile a lot of designers at TLP.My wishlist from TLP is always huge.

Anonymous said...

Has SSD prices increased recently? I purchased a collab in Nov for $7.99 and just noticed that it's now $8.99

Anonymous said...

56 - why would you want to participate in challenges at a store you don't even like? That's just crazy.

Well over 60% of Americans are overweight or obese (and it's on the rise worldwide). Not that we should be proud of that statistic, but that's the reality of our world.

You're outnumbered, so you may want to find some tolerance and understanding. All you show to the world is your ignorance and shallowness - neither of which make you better than anyone else.

Anonymous said...

#59 WTF - why are you addressing your post to me? I already said I wasn't going to participate in the challenges because I didn't like the store. Do you even read the posts before you start your asinine typing.

And just who are you addressing your second and third paragraphs to? Me? Because I never smacked anyone for being overweight. If you can't respond intelligently to the correct post, please save us your replies.

#57 I love NewLife Designs but she's at SBG and Kristin Aagard who's at SO. Different styles but I can scrap with both and love them.

Anonymous said...

58, yes, they have. I noticed that Darcy's fonts have increased in price like 30 cents each. Is that going to break the bank? Nope, but it's an increase. I've decided I'm going to start a "wish list" Pinterest board for each of my fave stores so I can keep track of pricing. It seems like a lot of designers have increased prices recently. I guess DS prices are like anything else: gotta stay on top of inflation. And people get greedy.

Anonymous said...

Why is ScrapGirls promoting their Pocket Life thing like it's the newset thing in the scrapping world? Project Life has been popular for a minimum of two years (as PL, since that was a modification of Project 365). ScrapGirls seems so behind the curve. If the cards and templates were marketed for Project Life I would understand, but they keep pushing Pocket Life. How odd.

Anonymous said...

Ever heard of INFLATION? Are you paying the same price as last year for milk, bread, heat, gas, etc.? Why would you assume that digital goods have to stay the same price? Designers also have increased costs, whether it is to upgrade their program, their computer, and more.

Anonymous said...

re forums: GingerScraps forum has some non-CT participating. TLP does too, but I feel like almost all the people who post there just WANT to be on the CT and so they're posting only to get noticed. SO's forum still gets posts, but sometimes it seems like it's designers and CTMs talking to each other. (And there are lots of "? about the ____ freebie" posts lately.)
I guess maybe it depends on the store? Maybe some stores just don't attract people who want to "talk" on the forums and the owners/CTMs don't really care about keeping it hopping. For example, SM doesn't seem to have a busy forum. I like what I see there, but there just isn't a lot. One day, a CTM posted four--FOUR!--new threads in one day and no one responded to any of them for like 3 days.
But obviously DS people like to talk. Look at this blog.

Anonymous said...

what about ISO threads? Are they really a place to find exactly what you need? I'm so sick of those people who post pretty much anything in an ISO thread, even when it is the exact opposite type of kit that the poster asked for. Are ISO threads just for CTMs to meet their CT reqs?

Anonymous said...

65 - I think some people don't bother to read the OP. Or, as you say, some CT just want to push some products. I have reported some posts as they were totally off from what was asked, and they were removed (by admin I guess). I like ISO threads, but only when they follow what was asked in the first place.

I also wonder sometimes if the OP can read and search: I have seen one poster ask the exact same thing that was asked a few days before. That is annoying.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah!! Check this thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=314257
The OP is asking for "realistic dandelions" and almost all posts are showing drawn dandelions, and some will post more than what would even be asked, like a paper pack, word packs, cluster packs, alphas, that goes with the kit that had ONE drawn dandelion.

Anonymous said...

And the OP says WOW thanks so much a couple of posts down...lol

Anonymous said...

She is polite!

Anonymous said...

@62
Scrap Girls was one of the first places I had a "home" at when I first found digital scrapbooking. Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I've found that they are pretty much a self-contained unit. They appeal to their loyal customers and there is always the same people posting for the most part.

Up until the recent change of ownership I had never really even seen them mentioned at places like DST and other community sites.

Anonymous said...

Scrapbook-Bytes has a nice forum group. I've heard good things about Gingerscraps as well. Many of the forums I once liked are gone with store closings.

@67 I looked over that thread. It looks like about 1/3 of what was posted has at least one realistic dandelion. 1/3 has drawn dandelions and the last 1/3 doesn't appear to have any dandelions although there are random yellow flowers in those.

Anonymous said...

I'm a designer. I don't ask my CT to post in ISO threads for the same reason people are complaining now. I don't want my designs to be thrown randomly in threads they don't fit. Instead I go through ISO threads myself every once in awhile and even then I only post in relevant CURRENT threads.

I'm always really annoyed when I see that some designer or CT has bumped a thread from 4 years ago just to promote their new kit.

Anonymous said...

For those complaining about a designer's weight or appearance... I sure hope you are perfect to be able to throw that stone. I'll admit there are designers I don't like for personality reasons, but to bash someone over rumors and weight? How old are you?

Anonymous said...

#60 - You seriously need to calm down before you have a heart attack. Better yet, keep it up and do us all a favor.

Anonymous said...

#74 - You're a pretty disgusting individual.

Anonymous said...

#73 No one is perfect, but if you are grossly overweight it's not good for you. Neither is smoking. I think you have to be stupid to smoke....can't people read the health warnings!

PS No rumors just facts that I won't post here.

Anonymous said...

#75 - Said anonymous on a SMACK BLOG. ::eyeroll::

Anonymous said...

#77 - smacking someone and wishing someone dead are totally different things. You can unroll your eyes.

Anonymous said...

And just who are you addressing your second and third paragraphs to? Me?
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and this is why I tend to reply to each post individually. People get confused so easily.

It was quite obvious she wasn't addressing you but the previous poster(s) who was smacking someone for being overweight.

Anonymous said...

If the cards and templates were marketed for Project Life I would understand, but they keep pushing Pocket Life. How odd.

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Because they can't use the Project Life name, as was discussed a few pages back on this blog. Not odd at all.

Anonymous said...

But obviously DS people like to talk. Look at this blog.
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This blog sometimes has days of inactivity or very little activity. Like most forums, it gets busy when there is something new to discuss and then after a few days, it fizzles out again. Even this blog, or it's former version, used to be busier than it is now.

Anonymous said...

No one is perfect, but if you are grossly overweight it's not good for you.
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And? Unless you care about that person or are related to them, it's really none of your business.

Anonymous said...

Why are people going off on Tracy again? What was she being dramatic about?

Anonymous said...

#83 - I don't think it was people, I think it was one person.

Anonymous said...

To #74 - You're comment isn't smacking - it's sick.

Anonymous said...

"To #74 - You're comment isn't smacking - it's sick."
Yes, or a troll.

Anonymous said...

A lot of stuff on this blog is sick. Some people take these things way too seriously. That's sick, too.

What's your point?

Anonymous said...

A lot of stuff on this blog is sick. Some people take these things way too seriously.
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Some stuff is sick, not a lot. Saying it's a lot is taking things way too seriously.

Anonymous said...

what about ISO threads? Are they really a place to find exactly what you need?
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Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I remember asking for a snow free Christmas kit one year but not a beach Christmas kit. I think about 70% of the replies showed me beach Christmas kits. They often don't seem to recognize the word 'no'.

Anonymous said...

ScrapGirls seems so behind the curve.

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Sometimes. Sometimes they are ahead but as a lot of digi scrappers don't go there, they think it's new when it appears in one their favorite stores.

Anonymous said...

ok Royanna has been outed for not paying designers again....

Anonymous said...

ooo shocker. NOT.

Anonymous said...

#91 where?

Anonymous said...

If Royanna is such a bad store owner, then why do people stay at her store? (I'm not saying this in a snarky way. I really want to know HOW her store stays around!)

Anonymous said...

64-Some sites have a suggested number of posts that each site CTM should start each month. That could be why that one member started the 4 threads in that forum. I'm not sure if that site has that requirement or not.
I'm not sure what number said something about CTM's answering ISO threads, but many designers REQUIRE CTM's to answer a specific number of ISO threads a month, so your beef should be with the designers. I've even seen one member of a CTM ask for a product and another member of that team go in and post about the designer's kit, then that CTM will post another ISO so the first CTM will have a place to post. I think the designer that posted here that answers the ISO threads herself is the way to go. They know their product better, and would know if they want their product posted on a particular ISO thread.

Anonymous said...

94 - maybe the late payment is worth the actual sales revenue? I dunno. Just guessing.

Anonymous said...

95: I know some stores require their CTMs to start threads in the forum. But wouldn't it be better (more "natural" if you will) to say "Start a post a WEEK" so that it stops CTMs from flooding the forum with new threads at the end of the month--especially if they're threads that no one responds to. Even before I knew what a CT was, I thought that kind of thing looked strange.
And I've seen CTMs post ISOs like that. So ridiculous. Even though I know what the CTMs are doing, I want to say "Didn't you know your designer had that kit? You're not a very good CTM if you didn't."

Anonymous said...

97-Most people could care less to know everybody name of every designers CT. Unless their teams are in their siggy I have no idea who is on what team. I don't even know everybody on the two teams I'm on.

Anonymous said...

97--lots of people (I definitely won't say "all") put their CTs in their siggy. So if the ISO poster says "I'm looking for a cat kit" and their siggie says "CTing for Designer X" and then the first reply to the ISO is another CTM (it says so in their siggie), then it looks a little silly.
I don't chat with every person on each of my teams, but we interact enough that I know who they are. I can't name their kids or where they live, but I recognize their SNs or their avi pics. I would think teams that don't know each other's names would be a sad team to CT for. I'm lucky to CT for great designers with great teams--people are nice and talk with each other. I guess if your CTs are run via emails only then it would be tough to know each other--even if you see all these LOs in the store's gallery. Or do you never look at LOs? Or the store's (or stores') forum(s)? You just post and run?

Anonymous said...

If Royanna is such a bad store owner, then why do people stay at her store? (I'm not saying this in a snarky way. I really want to know HOW her store stays around!)
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Everyone wants to know how. It's been asked more than once and most of us are still puzzled by this.

Anonymous said...

Most people could care less
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Couldn't care less.

This one drives me up the wall; mostly because it doesn't even read or sound right as 'could care less'.

Anonymous said...

101-I could care less what you think! Go climb your wall.

Anonymous said...

#102 - that means you do care what I think :)

If you didn't care, you would have said couldn't.

See the difference now?

Anonymous said...

99-Lots of the CT members go by different names in the forums than they do on the CT forums. I do also. I do recognize their layouts in the galleries, and do even comment on some of them. I am active in several forums, and I have a derivative of my name in most of them, and a totally different name at another forum. I have a common name, and if the name is taken at some forums, they won't let another person with that name register. I also ct for two very well known designers, and they have large teams. In the ct forums I know my team mates, and we all get along very nicely. In the galleries they are hard to keep track of because of so many different names.

Anonymous said...

on the case of Royanna she evidently gives the designers a sob story of her being in such poor health and that she is about to die that she flings them into such a quilt trip and pity party with her that they stay and take her crap...but evidently this time some designers got royally pissed off about not being paid this time and some not being paid since July. That they are raving in the divine forum about it and demanding their money. What I do not get if Royanna is so sick and about to die then how can she enjoy going to gym and Disney every weekend and also on the case she told everyone she had no cell phone or internet but has been on Instagram and Pinterest nearly non stop??

Anonymous said...

#105 - same old, same old. She does this every single time. Quite honestly, anybody who sticks around after not being paid since July is a fool, sorry. They may claim it's their only source of income but if they aren't getting paid, it's no income at all.

Anonymous said...

105, those sound like the same old smack posted about this month after month. Time to move on to something new and stop carrying your grudge. Just don't go there if it pisses you off. And I don't see anything in the forum about designers not being paid.

Anonymous said...

#107 - not the OP but the same stuff about SSD gets rehashed over and over too. It would seem that there is not much new to move on to.

Anonymous said...

but evidently this time some designers got royally pissed off about not being paid this time and some not being paid since July. That they are raving in the divine forum about it and demanding their money.
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Link please.

Anonymous said...

#55 - "With all the talk about forums being either inactive, or just full of CT posts, are there forums out there that are still lively, interesting, and have a community feel to them?..."

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I CT on a few teams at a well-known site, and the thing is that not all posts by CT members are promoting product. This particular forum was my digi 'home' long before I became involved with any teams and these ladies have become my digi-friends. So yes, if some forums seem to have a high number of CT members posting/responding, it could be because these people are actually active members in the community for their own personal reasons, rather than simply to post X times per week/month. Just a bit of intelligent debate. :)

Anonymous said...

94 - Sometimes she picks and chooses who she is going to pay and sometimes she just gives a sob story. She generally relies on "no name" or "newbie" designers and there is always someone willing to go anywhere just to say they are selling in a store.

Anonymous said...

^TA - her admins usually get paid first. She needs the store to make $$ for herself. She makes way more than any of her designers so she doesn't care who she has in the store or how things go as long as her $$ keeps rolling in. She acts like she cares and is so sweet etc., but when it comes down to it, she only cares about herself.

Anonymous said...

well that explains alot about why she is at disney every fricken weekend...>.<

Anonymous said...

Where does it say she's there every weekend? I think that is an exageration.

Anonymous said...

I'm calling BS! A new designer still has many options. And there are a few designers that are not new designers. A couple of those older designers could tier-up if they wanted to. I don't believe that designers would hang around if they aren't getting paid. They can still be sympathetic about whatever is going on AND change stores. Don't try to make it seem like they have no place to go and they stick around because she has a spell on them. If that is the case, they are making that choice for themselves.

Anonymous said...

110: I'm the OP about CTMs being required to post in the forums. I LOVE when a CTM voluntarily posts in the forums. But it's really annoying when a CTM posts 4 threads in a 2-minute span and they're just boring/ridiculous threads. It just seems obvious that they're posting because they have to, not because they want to. For example, threads like "I have so much laundry to do" and "My kids don't pick up their toys!" and "What's for dinner?"--that one posted three times a week is a little much. Get a damn cookbook, people!--and "It's cold here!" and "What's the weather like where you live?" all seem forced when posted all at once by the same CTM, especially if posted on the last day of the month.
That doesn't mean every thread with those subjects is fluff. But sometimes they are. I CT for a store that I LOVE, and I'd participate there regardless of whether I was a part of the store.

Anonymous said...

I like the what's for dinner threads. I don't feel like those are at all forced when posted every few days. We have dinner every night.

I try not to read so much into every little thing a CTM does. Maybe they post fluff because they are the fluff type? Who cares! Just skip over the thread.

Anonymous said...

lol, yes, we eat dinner every night. We also drive our kids to school every day, have chores every day, watch TV every day, deal with the weather every day... all those banal topics that people talk about when they don't know/care about each other. But if I skip over the thread, then there's nothing else there to read. That's my point: what's left to read if you take away those threads? I want to be at a forum where people (CTMs, designers, customers, whatever) are having actual, fun conversations (like you'd have on a Girls Night Out). If it feels forced (like a convo with your boss at lunch or something), then I don't want to hang out there. But that's me. If you love the dinner threads, then those kind of forums are the right ones for you. But not for me.
And that's what the OP asked: are there forums that are still "alive"? That still have a fun, lively talk going on? And obviously what one person likes is going to be different than what another person likes.

Anonymous said...

re Royanna: Where is the proof that she doesn't pay? Has one of her designers ever said IN PUBLIC (fb, the public forum--not the private CT or Designer forum) that Royanna doesn't pay designers? Someone else mentioned wanting a link. I'd love that too. Otherwise, can we just stop talking about Royanna? It's not smack if the same problem is brought up every month and no one can prove it's true. Then it's just moaning and complaining like a five year old.

Anonymous said...

It will never cease to amuse me when people tell you what you should and should not smack about on a smack blog. I could care less about Royanna, don't know her or anything about her, but, this is a smack blog and everyone and anyone is fodder for the ANONYMOUS smack.

Anonymous said...

120, 119 asked, she didn't tell.

I think some old fool didn't get her DAD and is just bitter.

Anonymous said...

I used to design there and she almost never paid the designers on time, and would get 2 or more pay periods behind even. And it also became apparent that she paid some designers (the admins or top earners) but not others when you asked around. She always has a sob story and if you go to leave she makes you feel just awful for it and gives you a bunch of BS about how much she's working on changing things and all the great new things coming. She's very manipulative and after giving her the benefit of the doubt and trying to stick it out, I realized nothing was ever going to change and am much happier for it.

Anonymous said...

121 point taken, but I think the proof 119 was looking for is in post 122. Just saying...

Anonymous said...

As far as the DAD's-- before someone can say I'm being resentful that I didn't get something "for Free". It's not about getting something- it's about her making promises and then crapping on everyone. If they only posted things 3 times a month, I'd be fine with that. I'd be fine if they didn't post anything at all. It's when ROldemort makes promises and starts these big projects and makes a big freakin' deal about it all and MONTH AFTER MONTH it's the same unfinished crap- then it becomes annoying!!!!!!! Right now they've got the DAD going on for January and none of her stuff has been posted. None of the videos she said were going to be part of it, too. She made promises in December to finish the 40 days project and that's still not done. And just before she stopped posting on the forum she made a post about Customer Appreciation days at the end of January. HA!!! Appreciation!!

January will pass, those projects will be left behind and she'll start over with some other new project that won't get completed. Why do I put up with it? Because I like the stuff when I finally get it. Because each time she builds it up and I think, "Oh, this time it will be better!"... but then it's not. I leave that forum for months because I get fed up but I come back and see that things look "normal" and she's posting regularly and I get sucked in again- only to have her disappoint me.

And in the meantime, while she's not finishing the projects she's promised and keeps saying, "Hopefully I'll be back on-line soon!"... in the meantime she's posting all over her FB page and on Pinterest and showing off her pics from Disneyland... she has no intention of finishing these projects this month, is what I feel now.

This month she had internet and router problems and in December she had some hard drive failure and "lost" all of her work - I think that's when she said she had to "redesign" all she had done. B-S!!! So she can't use those excuses for a few more months, so I'm waiting around on the forum just long enough to find out what her excuse for February is going to be.

Anonymous said...

If I knew that STO's portion of the "fix" (Digiscrapaddicts) was the same one as their January collab here:
http://scraptakeout.com/shoppe/onsale.php?onsaleid=1

I would have never bought the fix...or I wouldn't have bought from STO to get the free kit.

So disappointed.

Anonymous said...

#125 That sucks. They should point that out. I appreciate it when designers note if a certain kit or set was already included in another collab or grab bag, etc. Sucks to not say anything and offer it in two places. :-(

Anonymous said...

125 - I would think something in The Fix is exclusive while it's actually in The Fix and then it can be sold elsewhere. I'd want my money back, just like that fiasco with SO and ScrapStacks.

What the hell is wrong with these stores?

I hope Laura makes it right for you and those who bought The Fix.

Anonymous said...

Here is a real treat: http://scrapsandthecity.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=145&
Great design name.

Anonymous said...

trashy.

Anonymous said...

124, you are acting foolishly. Time to move on. There's better stuff out there. You just might have to pay for it.

Anonymous said...

130 - I know. It is time to move on. I keep hoping it will change, but I realize now- it's been like this for YEARS. She's not going to change. Ever.

And I do pay for stuff- plenty of stuff. I belong to monthly kit or download groups, I buy during sales, collabs, when all the new stuff comes out each week/month. I buy plenty. I like the Daily Download stuff because it's kind of fun- waiting, then downloading, having to check back so you didn't miss it. It's all spoiled because she messes it up each month. I have the list that was posted before of other sites that offer monthly specials and newsletter specials and I'm going to add those to my current list of places I visit. I feel like someone caught in a bad relationship- I know she's toxic, but I can't let go. Well... enough is enough!!! Done with her and done with complaining. I just can't believe how much people stick up for her over there! You don't dare say something even slightly negative. I mean- even the people supporting her are getting taken down for saying she should take it easy for her health! She says she's going to quit designing (she throws that one out every few months) and they all say, "oh, you need to take care of yourself... we'll miss you but your health comes first!" and then when someone mentions her stuff not being up on the board, and that maybe she has too much on her plate and should take a break the same set of FANaticS comes out to thump the head of the poster, saying they are just greedy for wanting the free stuff. It's crazy!

Thanks for the knock on the side of the head- I needed to hear that I'm being foolish and need to move on. She is toxic. I'll keep telling myself that so I'll avoid the trip back!!! :-)

Anonymous said...

I know. It is time to move on. I keep hoping it will change, but I realize now- it's been like this for YEARS. She's not going to change. Ever.
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And this is how she manages to stay in business.

Anonymous said...

If I knew that STO's portion of the "fix" (Digiscrapaddicts) was the same one as their January collab here:
http://scraptakeout.com/shoppe/onsale.php?onsaleid=1

I would have never bought the fix...or I wouldn't have bought from STO to get the free kit.

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so SO are not the only ones that pull this kind of stuff. I wonder if they will fix it, like SO did.

Anonymous said...

http://www.divinedigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10537

Anonymous said...

Here is a real treat: http://scrapsandthecity.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=145&
Great design name.
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Who cares?

Anonymous said...

#134 - thanks for the link but I have to register to view it.

Anonymous said...

can't see it. I don't have an account. What does it say?

Anonymous said...

Here is a real treat: http://scrapsandthecity.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=145&

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Trashy store, trashy designers.

And again I ask, what are you people doing in these stores? Where do you even find them, for that matter. They're junky stores with junky stuff, I'm not sure what you expect to see there.

Anonymous said...

Just funny to see there are 11 designers with a Z in their name (after those posts earlier about designers with Z in their name). But really, I don't know ANY of those designers. Also noted that there is NO scrap kit (only TAGGER kits). I wonder why it is called SCRAPS and the City.

Anonymous said...

so SO are not the only ones that pull this kind of stuff. I wonder if they will fix it, like SO did.

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You would think that after the whole Scrap Stacks/SO fiasco, that NO store would do the same thing. I have to say STO is worse because they are offering the kit at the same time...same month. But I doubt anyone will fix it. Jen Yurko owns the store...She has no idea what professional is.

Anonymous said...

I logged in and still can't see the thread... not having access privilege. Must be in the designers' portion of the forum.

Anonymous said...

I wonder why it is called SCRAPS and the City.

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Gee, maybe it's because scraps doesn't mean scrapping. There's a thing.

Anonymous said...

140- SO has offered the Feb store collab for free to the people who bought the Scrap Stack the month that kit was in it.

Anonymous said...

How can Royanna afford to go to Disney as much as she does? She is always sick and needing medical treatment.

Anonymous said...

#127- Laura? Sara owns DSA.

Anonymous said...

Someone has a hard on for Scraps & The City. Clearly that designer, designs for TAGGERS. All her products are TAGGER kits. Get over it. No one cares about taggers or their trashy kits or love for their trashy posers except apparently the trashy person hanging around that store all the time looking for things to post on the smack blog.

Royanna can afford to go to Disney so often because she doesn't pay her designers. That's how.

Anonymous said...

DSA kits are supposed to be exclusive until the month after they release- at least that was the rule when I submitted my kit.

Anonymous said...

115- you can call BS, but the truth is she doesnt pay on time. I gave it a year in her shop and left for greener pastures. And I do have proof, but for the obvious reasons am not willing to post as me to show it. But, I do have my records and emails with my tax documents.

Anonymous said...

How can Royanna afford to go to Disney as much as she does? She is always sick and needing medical treatment.

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Insurance coverage? Even if I got sick, I could afford to go if I lived nearby. But we don't know what her situation is and it is really none of our business. I doubt that store makes enough money to cover much of anything.

Anonymous said...

I know at least 2 designers personally that have told me in confidence that's why they left DD. Obviously, I'm not going to say who because it was told in confidence and I'm not that low to divulge their personal private information on a smack blog. but it's pretty well known by anyone who has dealt with her this is standard RA behavior. I won't touch her with a ten foot pole and I won't purchase from that store because I know the designers won't get their money.

Anonymous said...

148, why in the world did you give it a full year? I guess she had you under her spell?

Anonymous said...

SO has offered the Feb store collab for free to the people who bought the Scrap Stack the month that kit was in it.
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No they didn't. The SO kit was in the January Scrap Stacks and they then offered the kit for free in February.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about taggers or their trashy kits or love for their trashy posers except apparently the trashy person
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Do you get paid for the amount of times you use the word trashy? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

146- I think they were referring to the design name rather than the actual store itself.

Anonymous said...

#152- I know.

Anonymous said...

122: what you said about making you feel guilty and RA's promises to change reminded me of an old boyfriend. You know, the slob who always "needs" something and promises to pay you back and really, he can change! But he never does. Eventually you smarten up and leave his sorry ass. So I hope all the designers at DD will do the same and get out of there. If they're any good then they'll find a new store. (There are 500 to choose from...)
And the link to the thread at DD: Why can't someone copy/paste the post into here? It is anonymous, so no one will know it was you who c/p it. And I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that it's the actual thread. Don't catfish us.

Anonymous said...

#155 - oh, I misread what you wrote. Yeah, SO offering their kit was already pointed out.

Anonymous said...

120: I didn't say we "shouldn't" talk about RA. I asked if we can stop talking about her. And someone has changed the subject, so great. I just want these people who claim to have proof to, what's the expression? Put up or shut up. I wasn't saying "Oh, never talk about RA again!" I was saying "Why talk about it if no one is willing to provide proof? What's the point?" And if the point is just to complain, then fine. But it seems like people don't want to just complain: they want answers. An anon smack blog may not be the best place to get them, but we did have someone who got as detailed as possible without giving away too much personal info.
On a related note, thanks, 122, for your post! And I'm glad you don't sell there anymore. That's crap treatment. If a boss at a "real life, go to it every day" job--meaning not a job where you sit in front of your computer making digital items for an online store where you've never met the owner--didn't pay you for months on end, you'd quit. And you'd probably sue.

Anonymous said...

I will say I am an ex DD designer. I left when the big server fiasco happened (what 3 years ago maybe?). The store was down for months. She kept giving excuses as to why it was postponed. I never got my last payment from her. When I first started there there were some designers asking about their pay being late. I asked a designer I knew there about it because I was kinda scared being a newbie and all. They tried to play it off like it was not a big deal. Let's just say I was not there for very long. I told her that I would not be coming back when the site was restored and then she told me that I would not have any requirements and please would I stay and I said no. When the site was back up I got an two emails from her asking if I was back in. I explained that I was not longer there and had moved up to a better store anyways. So there you have it from an ex designer.

Anonymous said...

She's a nut case. Pure and simple. I know we should just ignore her and her store but there is something that draws you in. It's like you read through the posts and can't believe that some one in real life is really that completely and totally out of it.

oh, sorry, I'm talking about Royanna! What a crazy!!

I think she lives down near Disney. There's a good chance that her family has a season pass.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why some of you smack Jen Yurko. I've always found her quite pleasant.

Anonymous said...

I Hate it when a sale is announced for a few days but they don't give specific dates when the sale will end. Is that so hard??

Anonymous said...

145 - My bad! Sara, not Laura at DSA should make it right.

161 - I believe this Fix fiasco is reason enough to smack her right now. She made that decision as a store owner, no matter how pleasant she may be, it's still unprofessional.

Has anyone who bought The Fix heard anything from DSA yet?

Anonymous said...

If the DSA contract still states that the kit is to remain exclusive to DSA for a month, then it is up to Jen to fix it not Sara. Jen would have been in the wrong. It is a bad decsion on Jen's part either way.

Anonymous said...

With Love Studio Blog train today. I have been browsing. I havent opened anything yet but based on previews

WLS Page has a mini by Missy's Bits- its okay. Basic stuff. I could see me using the journal card.

WLS Facebook page- plaid papers also by Missy. I will use these. I like plaid though.

Scrapping Artistry/Sugar Moon Designs- I like the winter frame and blue flower. I'll keep all of this one too.

Starry Eyed- I'll probably keep the grey frame.
She has glitters on her facebook. I dont need glitters so I wont download those at all.


Designs by Angel- ehh. I'll keep the grey background smudge and the little photo corner.

Chunlin Designs- I really like this. I've purchased from her before and her quality is usually really good too.

Fran B- more basics.

Mayo Designs- not sure about the weird frame thing, but I like the rest.

Brown Eyed Susan, Kelsey Studios, Shelly Marie- ehhh. not downloading.

AliSarah (wow- bright blog!)- I'll keep this. Might ditch the roses. I wont grab the alpha on her FB page though.

Midnight Owl- I'll probably keep all of this one too.



Anonymous said...

164
Jen most likely does not care. She sucks as a store owner. Very unprofessional.

Anonymous said...

I'm a former customer of DD. I was treated very badly there by her. I will never shop in her store again--ever.

Anonymous said...

166-Oh please. Get over yourself. You probably don't even know her. I've had many dealings with her and she's very nice-and professional too. You are probably another store owner trying to talk bad about a competitor.

Anonymous said...

159: OMFG, I remember that server thing at DD. The store was down for.ev.er. It was one thing that made me nervous about being exclusively at one store--not that I think other store owners would let the store be offline for months on end, but what happens if where you sell goes offline for even a week? Or a weekend? That would totally suck. DD being down for so long is just BS. That server issue is the reason I won't shop there (I didn't know RA wasn't a a good store owner until later). I couldn't imagine a store being run that inefficiently.

Anonymous said...

UC webhost screwed everybody. I ended up losing a year of prepaid hosting space. It was just for my own use (ct stuff) but it still sucked. DD was down way longer than everyone else though.

I sold at another store that was downed by them. Our owner was making contingency plans in case she couldnt get us back on line. She did get us back up and then moved us to a new host right away. But if that hadnt worked out, she had a domain name registered and was ready to launch a new site if needed.

Anonymous said...

#168 - not the OP, but get over yourself. Your experiences aren't everyone's experiences. Just because you've had decent interactions with someone doesn't mean everyone has.

Anonymous said...

162: I Hate it when a sale is announced for a few days but they don't give specific dates when the sale will end. Is that so hard??
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I hate when they don't list the time zone, either. "Sale ends Monday!" OK, Monday *where*? Australia? USA's Eastern Seaboard? France? (And what time on Monday? Monday night? Monday morning? Noon?) A lot of stores I shop are based in the US, but I'd still like a better time frame cuz I like to shop after the kids are in school (so I can shop in peace!) or DH is in bed (so I can shop without him asking how much I'm spending!).
It bothered me that TLP's birthday challenges ran until "Monday at midnight." That means 12:00am on Monday--really late Tuesday night, as some people call midnight. So the challenges should have ended one minute after 11:59pm Sunday night. They didn't. They ended at 12:00am Tuesday. That annoys me because I stopped playing Sunday night, thinking that the challenges were done. I figured "Monday at midnight" actually meant Monday 12am. But that's just me and my OCD.

Anonymous said...

170: "She did get us back up and then moved us to a new host right away. But if that hadnt worked out, she had a domain name registered and was ready to launch a new site if needed."
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That's because that store owner CARED about keeping the store going and was aware of what the store being down meant to the designers (and her own wallet). IDK what store this is, but TBH if I did know then I'd be happy to shop there.
And that's the thing about the UC webhost thing--it didn't just affect DD, so why was DD down for so long? If everyone else could figure it out, why couldn't Royanna? That just drives me nuts.

Anonymous said...

I have worked with Jen Yurko in the past and found her to be most unprofessional. Now, should we duke it out, #168?

Honestly, is it that hard to believe one person could have a different interaction with Jen than another? I'm not the OP, but why should anyone "get over themselves" for voicing their opinion - the same as you're doing?

Anonymous said...

164 - DSA most certainly should do something. It is their integrity and sales on the line the same as Crap Takeout. The same as Scrap Stacks was on the line with Scrap Orchards idiocy.

Why would anyone buy The Fix kits when they can just mosey on over to another site where they're being sold at the same time?

If I were Sara, I'd be pissed off as all hell and doing everything I could to secure my customers remained customers.

Anonymous said...

Why is Crap Takeout but not Crap Stacks and Crap Orchard?

Anonymous said...

#172 I'm #162. I'm so with you. I live in Europe so I need to know the exact time a sale will end.
I've sent complaints to many designers about this issue in the past.

Anonymous said...

Why do you need to wait until the last hour of the last day of a sale to shop? Does your schedule always just happen to work out that you're impossibly busy right up until 11:56pm on the last day?

Anonymous said...

#178 snarky comment.
Maybe because I don't have enough money in me debit credit card and I have to go to the bank, or maybe I'm ot at home..or several other reasons..
Is it so bad to know when a sale will end?

Anonymous said...

If it is a US shop, then you can figure it will probably be Eastern time that way you won't miss it.

Anonymous said...

173- the shop is closed now but yes, she was an awesome owner. We are still friends even though she is no longer in digi scrap.

Anonymous said...

#180 So I have to figure out when a sale ends? Wouldn't it be better if they wrote the est time so everybody would be happy?
The other day Jenn Barrette mentioned on her facebook page that she'll have a 50% sale off her old products on her personal site for a few days. I had to guess how long it would last. Eventually I lost the sale because I saw it after 2 days.

Anonymous said...

yes, you do. They aren't going to list your time anyway. They generally end at 11:59 on the day listed if the sale is set up in the store. EST will cover all regions because they hit that time first.

Regarding Jen, you could have asked her exactly when it ended. But, I agree, she should have at least listed a day for it to end.

I generally buy right away or I'll forget. So I don't need to know when it ends.

Anonymous said...

What happened with Design House Digital? Most of the designers I remember aren't there any longer and the stuff in the shop is horrible.

Anonymous said...

they are at pixel&co.

Anonymous said...

#181 - was it Theresa Hernandez? She was the best store owner I ever worked with.

Anonymous said...

Nope, but Theresa is very sweet. Its been a couple of years.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't it a store with a flower or sunflower something ?

Anonymous said...

no, its Pixels and Company. Gen and the other owner split and most of the designers went with Gen.

Anonymous said...

183: yes, you do. They aren't going to list your time anyway. They generally end at 11:59 on the day listed if the sale is set up in the store. EST will cover all regions because they hit that time first.
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Are you joking? Yes, "It'll hit that time first" if you live in the continental US. Good grief. You're one of those ego-centric Americans that gives all of us a bad name. I'm going to pretend that you meant "You can mathematically figure out the time the sale ends where you live based on GMT." But you probably didn't mean that.

Anonymous said...

I'm #162.Normally I can calculate the time and figure out when a sale ends. I was referring to sales that don't have specific details and just mention the sale will go on for a few days. How many days? 1-2-3-4-5??
Is it so hard to set a date when the sale will end?

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anybody knows if a designer has ever opened at a top tier sore without selling anywhere before?

Anonymous said...

I think a few girls who've CT'd at top tier stores have done it. Mostly template people come to mind. I don't think Scrappin' with Liz sold anywhere before going to SO. And I'm pretty sure Lynnette just did template freebies before opening as Nettio at SSD. But I could be wrong.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering if anybody knows if a designer has ever opened at a top tier sore without selling anywhere before?
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Yep! I know of several.

A bunch from the old days at SBB when SBB was THE place to sell

- Dianne Rigdon
- Gina Miller
- Meredith Fenwick (retired now, I think)
- Tracy Ann Robinson (retired)
- Trish Jones (retired)

Rebecca McMeen at SBG

Christina Renee at Funky Playground (when it was the IN store)

Annie Manning (retired) & Hollie Harradon at The Digi Shoppe (no longer in existence but a top tier in it's time)

Jen Caputo at Plain Digital Wrapper (when it first opened and was the place to be)

Jofia Devoe (retired), Createwings and New Life Dreams (I believe) at Shabby Pickle

Catherine Designers (retired) at After 5

A few others but those are the ones that come to mind.

I can't think of any newer designers but I haven't been around in digi much in the last three years.

Anonymous said...

193- Lynnette had a personal store before opening at SSD.

184- I've heard rumors they're reformulating or something and hiring on a bunch of new designers. Horrible currently? Maybe. But I'd give it a few weeks and then see if it still is. Transitional phases suck; I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

It is weird when you compare DHD to Pixels & Co., though- you can see Gen must have really been the design-saavy one.

Anonymous said...

#195 I think Gen had the most loyalty from her designers. Shows how professional she is.

DHD has gone to the dogs. I used to shop there all the time but with the new *talent* I won't be going back.

Anonymous said...

UC webhost screwed everybody

What does UC stand for? thanks

Anonymous said...

#197 UC webhost was the name of the company. It is closed now but I took 30 seconds of my time to google it for you. that's was hard.

https://twitter.com/ucwebhost

Anonymous said...

Meredith Fenwick is at Two Peas with Dianne Rigdon

Anonymous said...

What's the longest running digiscrap store? I just saw an ad that ScrapbookBytes has been around for 10 years. I didn't realize it had been that long.

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