Anyone check out the SM FB blog hop? What a joke. Just a bunch of coupons (10%, 15%, etc.) from each designer. The way it was being promoted I expected more--like a kit I could collect or something.
I have my favorites in the contest at SSD, but it will be interesting to see if they make it. There are certain scrappers that I find inspiring because they do different things in addition to scrapping memories, etc. I don't see too many pushing themselves creatively.
I don't think Shabby Pickle has been announced to the public. I know certain CTs have been informed.
About the SSD contest, the Babe layouts are mostly horrible examples. They should clearly show how they meet the requirements, but they appear to be causing nothing but confusion. I'm not playing, but I've been watching and looking and really, you're better off not even looking at their sample pages.
I also have my favorites there and I hope they win something.
And the sharks already smell the blood in the water. Seriously tacky, Hummie. How about you let the presses cool off before you start pimping your store? As if it's any kind of serious option for the Shabby Pickle designers? Right...
SSD doesnt do CU, right? So a CU only shop would probably be okay?? Besides, I know I make a ton of styles and such when I make a kit, why not profit from that as well if you are able?
Marie H changes stores more than she changes underwear. She just started at STO and has left to start her "exciting" new store that looks pretty pathetic.
Not surprised about Secret Stash. She's a total twit anyway. Her being one of the highest earning designers is laughable. I'm sure she'll be back in 3 months like usual with yet another design name. Guess Kami couldn't beg her to stay on board any longer like she did Kay.
I'm sure they'll bring on new designers as they must be desperate for designers who regularly produce new products. How much longer can Suzy, Chelle, and Rachel hold that store together?
To the person who have the hint about Thaty and going to another store with an ex SBG designer, that's not much of a hint, there are too many ex SBG designers at different stores.
Not surprised about Secret Stash. She's a total twit anyway. Her being one of the highest earning designers is laughable. I'm sure she'll be back in 3 months like usual with yet another design name. Guess Kami couldn't beg her to stay on board any longer like she did Kay.
I'm sure they'll bring on new designers as they must be desperate for designers who regularly produce new products. How much longer can Suzy, Chelle, and Rachel hold that store together?
Marie H was at Digiridoo for about 2 months before she left for STO where she has been for 2 months. I think before that I saw her at Ginger Scraps and possible With Love Studio. I wonder what her deal is?
I think Jen Yurko, Shannon and company better stop throwing stones before someone decides to throw some back. Y'all are pathetic the way you have to keep bringing her up. Clearly, no one cares but you.
Unless I missed something, 24 is the first one to bring them up again so I don't get what she's talking about. Unless she's MarieH and thinks they're the ones complaining about her store-hopping (which I doubt they care where she goes).
I am most certainly not that twit Jen Yurko. I have worked with Marie H and know that she is one of the most unreliable designers around. I'm not sure what all stores she's been at (I'm truly not that interested in her), I just know she store hops - a lot, and to me, that is unprofessional. Just my opinion, which really isn't worth much considering I'm anonymous.
Store hoping is often seen as negative on the designer's part, but what if a designer tried to join stores and they find issues with the stores, the owners, the payment, the advertising done, the requirements that might change, etc? What if the designer is professional enough to not let herself into a bad situation and chooses to leave? I have been in several stores that changed owner, changed rules/requirements, changed style (if I am a paper style designer, I won't fit in the store if it changes to all fantasy stuff). I have left those stores that were just not doing anything for me and my business plan. Would I be looked down for having been in 3, 5 or 7 stores like that? Would a potential store owner see it as a bad thing that I was in so many stores, or a positive attribute that I am standing up for myself instead of just be a "follow-the-leader" type of designer?
I checked out a few entries for the SSD thing. Some of those scrappers need to look-up what "deep journaling" means. Some knocked it out of the park. It's a crap shoot.
It would be nice to see some staff comments on those pages, though. I'm not usually one for making my CT leave comments, but this is a contest and it's the store CT. It wouldn't hurt the designers to leave comments, too. Those people BOUGHT your products for crying out loud. Thankless hags.
29-As a customer, I can honestly say it would make me think that the problem was you. As a CT member, I'd probably go where you go if I liked your team. As a designer, I'd wait until I found the perfect store and then apply there, and make it last at least a year before I switched again. As a competitive designer, when I found out you were changing stores again, I'd come here and roll my eyes. As a store owner, I'd probably not ask you to join the team of designers.
34, you could be talking about plenty of other designers with that description. Lauren Reid comes immediately to mind. She has been an incessant store hopper for many years. Is there a store left that she hasn't been at?
I own a store Marie used to sell in. Her sales were a 'low-average' for the store. (As opposed to low). She did not give me a reason, but posted on her blog that she was going to resign from designing. I knew she had already said that at least once before.
If she would approach me again to rejoin my store, I would say no due to all the store hopping. I'm thinking she's more than likely had a couple rejections, due to the fact that she is only at her personal store & My Memories.
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WTF? No one has mentioned these people in ages. What are you talking about? The only person bringing them up is you.
29-As a customer, I can honestly say it would make me think that the problem was you. As a CT member, I'd probably go where you go if I liked your team. As a designer, I'd wait until I found the perfect store and then apply there, and make it last at least a year before I switched again. As a competitive designer, when I found out you were changing stores again, I'd come here and roll my eyes. As a store owner, I'd probably not ask you to join the team of designers. ------
You hit the nail squarely on the head! When I was designing, the shortest time I spent at store was three months. The first one was because the owner was flaky, didn't pay on time and had no clue what she was doing. I actually was there a month longer than I should have been. The second time I could see the writing on the wall and instinctively knew the owner was going to sell the store in about two months time and sure enough, she did. The other three stores I was at for at least 18 months.
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No. Deep jounaling makes you feel a connection, even if you don't understand it.
It doesn't matter you journal about, it's how your journal about it. You could journal about your love of Hersheys Kisses, but to make it deep, you'd really have go into detail about why you loved them. Not just a superficial - I love them because they taste good and look cute. Which is pretty much what some of those pages have on them.
but again would that not be subjective? I may feel a connection whereas someone else may not. I understand the not being cutesy and superficial and think your analogy is perfect.
I will fully admit to not knowing anything about this contest as I haven't looked. Maybe I should so I don't sound like I'm talking out of my arse.
I just read the challenge, saw the layout examples and don't think the CT exhibited good examples of 'deep' jouranling for the contestants to go by. Hence my previous comment about it being subjective, although #48 your example put it in perfect perspective and something like that may have been helpful in the explanation of the challenge.
I just read the challenge, saw the layout examples and don't think the CT exhibited good examples of 'deep' jouranling for the contestants to go by. ------
Agreed. I think the first one was fine, the second one completely superficial and the third one was nearly there, but it skipped over the 'deep' part.
but again would that not be subjective? I may feel a connection whereas someone else may not. -----
True, but I think if you get a reaction, even if it's a - ew, how can she like Hersheys Kisses, they are so revolting - it's something. A mere - meh - isn't anything, and that's what a lot of the journaling on those pages did for me - meh.
I agree with the PP about the Babe pages being mostly bad examples so far, but I'm not surprised. Most of them aren't inspiring any other day, so why would they be now?
I looked at the journaling challenge layouts posted as I'm big on journaling and a few are really amazing and very moving. One even made me cry. The rest are very superficial. I, too, like the Hershey's kisses analogy. Very well put.
54- No, that one was sad, though. The one about the babies and being a great mom. Those empty baby buggies in the empty frames got to me. That was deep. That one and the 9-11 one seem so out of place next to the first day of school and she likes frosting layouts.
The great mom on was so sad. I find it sad that the 2 deep layouts are the ones that look out of place when they are the people who actually executed the challenge perfectly.
Hmmm I think SDD is tastefully done. I've seen a whole lot worse on many other sites. At least they don't garbage up their site with a ton of graphics.
#59 - if you think that's "tasteful", you need help. It's tacky as hell.
#57 - I agree there are other deep layouts there, but in the mix with many superficial ones. I'm not sure I'd call Red White and Splash deep. Crazy has too many typos. The others are OK. Start is very good, though, too. Very deep.
Digi crap apalooza on the road? $75 on sale for tickets you can get for $18? Sounds like Kami is looking to travel the country and have all those poor suckers pay for it. They're not even giving you anything Scrap Orchard except a 20% discount! Please tell me people aren't this stupid!
You're either an idiot or you can't read. The price includes 2 day tickets, admission to the digi lounge, and the so discount and that all costs considerably more than the price they're charging.
I have been browsing around stores and forums and it made me wonder. Why does everyone think the sales at a store like ScrapMatters are a lot higher than at a store like Stuff to Scrap? Both stores have about the same number of registered users and active users in their forums. Are there a ton of people buying products from SM that aren't registered in the forum? I can understand stores that have huge numbers in the forums (GP, SSD) making big sales, but quite a few of the stores that people rave about here don't have forum numbers that different than the stores people say are horrible.
That doesn't even make sense to me. Why would forum numbers = sales? The quality of the designers at SM is completely different from the rubbish at STS.
Personally I am active on one forum. I shop at about 4 other stores on top of that. I doubt I'm the only one who does the same. I don't have the time or the patience to participate in every forum I come across.
I tend to buy more where I'm not active, honestly. The more active you become, the more shallow you realize so many designers and CT are and that ruins it for me. I stop buying from stores and designers because I feel so crappy about them.
I've bought from SSD for years and I'm not active in their forums. Watching this contest and seeing all the groupies love on other groupies while ignoring everyone else has made me think twice about shopping there again.
It gets tough once you see things in forums and on Facebook. You realize most of them really are thankless and unappreciative of your business.
I have a TB of scrap kits, it's pretty safe to say I don't need anymore. Making your customers feel unappreciated isn't any way to get money I don't need to spend, but want to spend. I'd rather give it to someone else who hasn't shown their ass... yet.
#84, thanks for summing up how I feel. Seeing the love go pouring in for the select few who are all BFFs and seeing some really amazing pages get no love at all is pretty sickening.
I'm not active in their forum either and now I know why.
84 - That is exactly how I feel as well. I am going through old kits and re-using because, frankly, I can't think of anyone at this moment who I like the kit and "deserves" my money.
84- couldn't have put it any better. I'm actually taking part and out of three LOs I have had 6 comments, they decent pages but because I'm not in the click and I don't participate in the forum they are not getting any comments.
It's not just SSD. It's many sites and designers. Scrap Orchard as a site is horrible, but there are some nice designers there. Most of the CT is just as cliquish as SSD if not worse. TLP is cliquish, too.
I just mention SSD because that's what people are talking about right now, but they're not the only cliquish site out there.
whoever said that about Crystal is so right. Her pages are boring. Totally boring and yet Laura, Kimberly, Tara, Sara and that entire "clique" fawn all over them.
#94 - Laura completely irritates me and I don't think her pages are anything special.
#84 - That's why I don't participate in anything at SSD anymore. I got so sick of their cliqueish ways. Every once in a while, I used to go through the gallery looking for great pages that got completely ignored, and I would leave some love.
I also think it's sad that the SSD designers can't be bothered to leave comments, even if it's a simple thanks, when people post LOs in their gallery. As a designer, if I see a layout posted that uses one of my products, I make sure to leave a comment. To me, that's just good business and lets my customers know I appreciate them.
#95- SSD designers hardly ever leave comments. Which is why alot of people call them stuck-up. If they do leave comments it's almost always on CT pages. Never on everyday customers who actually buy their stuff.
Don't forget Kendall in that "group". Laura irritates me also. There is just something about her I just can't stand. Maybe it's how huge her gums are. Thank God I'm not on any CT teams with her and don't have to talk to her.
A lot of designers don't leave comments, it's not just SSD ones.
I have personally only come across one designer who left a comment on every single one of my pages using her kits and I wasn't even on her CT.
The reason I don't participate in forums has nothing to do with how designers, CTs etc behave, because I don't care about that. I don't participate because I haven't found one that suits me. The only one that ever did shut down.
Thanks, but it's not working. There are no coupon codes listed to save and it's not automatically taking the extra savings. Oh well, their loss I suppose.
I've never seen designers leave comments on any LO's other than their CTs.
While I'm sure it would be impossible to leave comments for everyone, it would be nice if they made even a tiny bit of effort to throw some comments around once in a while.
After all, almost all of them have CT requirements of posting LOs in galleries and being active commenters in forums or galleries.
I don't do LO's to hear "omg, cute page!" "wow, love your shadows" or whatever. Maybe you can comment on every page done with your kit if you sell three or four of each kits, but some of those SSD designers have thousands of pages in their gallery. They are designers, not your personal cheerleaders. If you really need someone to pump up your ego, post it in an enabling thread. There's one at SSD for LO's that need "love".
That said, I've done challenges at SO and an ADSR one for TLP, plus challenges at little stores. My SSD pages have more comments than SO or TLP and a designer from SSD DID comment on my page. And I've gotten more comments at stores than anything I've ever uploaded at DST or MSA. Comments are nice, but really how sincere is a designer or CT member scrolling through being forced to leave comments? How many comments do you need to be happy?
109-I'm on several ct's and none of them require gallery comments. The designers encourage them, but don't require them. Only one designer I've ever ct'd for required the comments. A lot of the designers leave comments on my pages. Not all of them, but over half of them. I also see those designers active in the forums, hosting challenges and speed scraps. I've had designers I don't CT for comment on many of my pages. I've also had designers that I do ct for comment on pages of mine that aren't made with their product. Almost all the designers comment on the pages in the private forums.
We are talking about STORE CTs and during a big contest, not every day postings to galleries. I don't know of any store CT that doesn't have a gallery requirement for one, but during a contest? Of course you want to leave as many comments as possible. No one is saying every CT or designer needs to leave a comment on every LO, but at SSD, there were tons of postings that had ZERO comments on them days after posting for this contest.
That's how I feel sometimes at TLP. You will go into the gallery and see alot of pages with no comments, yet if you look at the Lilypad CT pages, they all have comments. Even if they were posted after the other pages to the gallery. It's really shitty.
I am on a couple of creative teams and I just have to say that it is so hard for me sometimes to leave a genuine comment on others layouts. The layers, shadows, photos or it just may look sloppy it's easier to pass it and not say something like great job or great page when in reality it's just not. I'm sure it's hard to hear this because I was in this place when I started scrapping and I often wondered wtf am I doing wrong and then I figured it out. Sometimes the designers I ct for don't leave me comments and I'm creating for them do I take it personally NO because I know they like what I do or else I wouldn't be on the team :)
#114 - You sound like a snobby CTM to me. There is always something nice about a page if you look for it. Even beginner scrappers deserve to have something nice pointed out - especially since they PURCHASED the kit from the designer. Even if it isn't up to your high standards, someone scrapped that with love for themselves and their family. Maybe the photo was nice, maybe the persepctive was interesting, maybe they had a fun title, great journaling, etc.
I hate that bullshit about not finding anything nice to say. There are so few layouts in galleries that don't have something nice about them.
What a great sense of community you have. How lucky for your designers to have you on their teams...
No one is taking this personally, honey. We're talking about thanking your customers for their business. SSD is having a contest for a reason - to drum up business. The least they could do is thank the people who put food on their tables.
As a CTM and a customer, I'd much rather have fewer comments that are actually sincere than to have comments left because it's someone's job to go around posting comments (like at SO and DST). Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! over and over. I'd rather have NO comments. I understand showing appreciation, but phony appreciation is almost worse than none at all.
#118 I hate comments like that too. I do play the praise game at DST but always point out WHAT I like about a page instead of the oh so annoying 'pretty page'-shit.
I just looked through the SSD Summer Games gallery and couldn't find one LO with no comments. I'm not sure what ya'll are complaining about. I didn't go through each and every page-but enough of each to get an idea.
The designers at GP leave comments on people's layouts. I've gotten comments thanking me for using their kit or, if I do a challenge a designer is hosting, they leave comments. Same with speed scraps and other stuff. Don't lump all designers together. Some actually do and they're not all at SO. I also get coupons from designers at GP after I've made a purchase. And they're good coupons and I appreciate them!
Even if it isn't up to your high standards, someone scrapped that with love for themselves and their family.
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So, if they scrapped it for themselves and their family, I guess it really shouldn't matter what some person they don't even know says (or doesn't say) about it in a gallery. If they really do care about the comments, I guess that's why they really scrapped it and put it in the gallery.
Frankly, I got tired of insincere comments I'd get on layouts. Since that's not why I'm scrapping, I just stopped putting them in galleries and took what I had in the galleries out.
Why should a designer have to leave comments on layouts to thank someone for buying their product? Did the designer of the last pair of jeans you bought give you a personal thankyou? How about the cow who's milk you bought...did he call you up to thank you? I think it's ridiculous to think that a designer needs to leave comments as a thank you for buying their product. It's a business transaction, for crying out loud, not a purchase of someone else's validation of what you do.
115: Honey, go read 123's comment. I'm going to call every company I just bought groceries from and ask them why they aren't thanking me for buying xyz products, bwaaahhaaa
If you're going to start expecting designers to comment on layouts because you purchased their product, then don't forget to look for the comments from Adobe, Corel or whoever it is that makes the software that you use to create the layout. While you're at it, look for comments from Nikon or Canon too, since the pictures you scrapped were taken with a camera they manufactured.
Honestly, I'm fine with the business transaction way of looking at dig purchases.
It does go both ways, however. Don't demand or even expect credits in the galleries. It was a business transaction, after all. I paid you money for the kit. Unless you're paying me to do your advertising for you, don't expect me to have the time to credit every last paper, staple, or flower.
Actually, that's one of the best palettes they've had in ages. I mean, it isn't drop dead gorgeous but at least it's workable, which can't be said for about the last 6.
I can remember in the early days of digi DST when this was not taken seriously as a business. Does anyone remember threads about a customer being mad when the designer 'pulled the mommy card'. The customer who complained at DST was severely chastised because said customer wanted digital scrapping businesses to be more professional. I thought about that last night when I read the comments on whether designers should leave comments on layouts. Back when digital designing was perceived more as a hobby than a business I did get a few comments from designers that I bought from. I didn't get a lot of comments but a few. There seemed to be much more interaction on the boards between designers and customers back then. Nothing earth shattering here..just remembering how it used to be. On another note, when I buy groceries at Walmart it's not unusual for me to get a thank you for shopping there.
113 - That's exactly how I feel at TLP also. Their gallery is all comments for their CT team and no one else. I used to shop there A LOT and participate in their monthly challenges. Then I realized that they could really care less - I received thank yous and comments from Krista Sahlin and no one else. She is the only one I am currently buying from there as a result. If they changed it up, I may consider going back.
It does go both ways, however. Don't demand or even expect credits in the galleries. It was a business transaction, after all. I paid you money for the kit. Unless you're paying me to do your advertising for you, don't expect me to have the time to credit every last paper, staple, or flower.
I thought this bore repeating. It's why I won't post in the gallery unless there is a prize or a point involved. I don't do free advertising for anybody except friends n family.
On the other hand, I couldn't care less if any LO I made gets a comment. But I am not in the community like some scrappers and if you are trying to make them feel part of your community, which is connected to you and your store, and if you want to increase sales, you it makes sense that you ought to comment on their LOs as a part of your business.
I don't mind putting my credits. I don't understand why anyone would. If you like my page, and you want the kit - wouldn't you like knowing where I got it and who made it?
On the note of designers commenting... I don't expect them to. However, if a designer can take a moment out of their day to show some appreciation to their customers, it makes a huge difference to how much repeat business they get from me. I'll still buy stuff from designers I don't hear from of course, but I'll make a point of purchasing from designers who've left a comment in the past.
A designer who doesn't respond to an email about an issue however will not get any business from me, no matter how much I like their stuff (thankfully Zoe Pearn is the only designer I've come across this with)
Interesting, 139, the only designers I've ever had a problem with responding to CS issues are from SSD. Melissa Bennett was one. Mandabean was another.
I've heard that about Zoe Pearn from more than person.
Weren't there recent complaints on this issue with Liella or one of the new SSD designers?
My feelings exactly, #137. I have all my layouts on Facebook and on Picasa and I didn't bother with credits in either place. The only people who can see them, other than me, are my family and friends that I give the links to...and they could care less what the kit or designer is or what store to buy it in.
A LO created with a digital kit that you purchase is a derivative work. Essentially, TOUs license the scrapper with permission to create derivative works. Along with the right to grant permission to create derivative works, each designer (as the copyright holder) also has the right to demand that you credit their original copyrighted work when you publish your derivative work (yes, posting your layout online is actually publishing, just as real as if you were to publish it in a book). Designers actually DO have a legal right to demand crediting.
If you don't like crediting you have two choices: find designers that allow derivative works without credit or don't publish your layouts online.
144: I didn't create the definition of derivative works, so it has nothing to do with me being paranoid or demanding. I'm just stating the truth of the law. Direct that complain to the US Copyright office.
"Crap like you posted above is why no one will take digi seriously."
That statement is rather ironic considering the general consensus here is that designers ignoring copyright law is unprofessional and part of the reason why digi has a hard time being taken seriously. I guess because you're a scrapper and not a designer, you shouldn't be expected to adhere to the terms set forth in the licensing agreement that you agree to when you purchase the LICENSE TO USE the product?
As a side note, Basic Grey includes crediting (with a link to their website, even!) as a requirement when you post layouts made with their digital products online as well. Last time I checked, Basic Grey isn't considered small time by anyone who's been around the scrapbooking block for any length of time.
You have no idea who's a scrapper, who's a designer, or who's both, 147.
And your comments really don't apply to just about everyone who clearly said they don't put their LOs in galleries and just share them with family and friends.
If it makes you feel better to c&p stuff about copyright, knock yourself out. You're not changing anything.
Do you think this kit includes a dildo or do I just have a twisted mind? http://www.scrapsandthecity.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_333&products_id=6671
That site is awful. And by awful, I mean it's really shitty designing, etc. How did you even find a place like that?? -------------------- No, it was posted on a digiscrap ad group on Facebook.
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product.
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product. Aug 6, 2012 4:45:00 PM
this is a common and longstanding problem in digi.
If you're going to start expecting designers to comment on layouts because you purchased their product, then don't forget to look for the comments from Adobe, Corel or whoever it is that makes the software that you use to create the layout. While you're at it, look for comments from Nikon or Canon too, since the pictures you scrapped were taken with a camera they manufactured. -----
Yeah, because a small business is the exact same thing as a big business. Who knew?
And guess what? Every small business I have ever purchased from thanks me for my business. So that blows your and #123 ridiculous analogy out of the window.
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product. -----
A lot of CU designers don't require credit. Next ...
On another note, when I buy groceries at Walmart it's not unusual for me to get a thank you for shopping there.
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And you really think they mean it, or do you think they might get paid to do that... I really don't think the spotty kid who thanks you when you check out really gives a shit that you shopped there :)
And you really think they mean it, or do you think they might get paid to do that... I really don't think the spotty kid who thanks you when you check out really gives a shit that you shopped there :)
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I did work there. I told the customers thank you. I told them to have a nice day/night. I didn't mean it. Believe me, they don't give a shit.
The fact that people don't mean it when a customer thanks a shopper WHO IS WHY THEY HAVE A PAYCHECK is the problem. People have really lost sight of where their paychecks come from...
The fact that people don't mean it when a customer thanks a shopper WHO IS WHY THEY HAVE A PAYCHECK is the problem. People have really lost sight of where their paychecks come from... -------------------------------------
I get that, and I agree totally. BUT comparing a digi designer to the guy at Walmart who thanks you out of duty is stupid. The reality is that the "thank you for shopping with... insert name of store here" is the equivalent of the guy at Walmart's "thank you". It's just as heart felt and the duty is done.
How about this? You want a personal thank you every time you spend your $5 or whatever with a designer? Ok, so you'd be happy if they reduce their kit sizes so you get next to nothing, so that they have the time to go around, finding out who shops with them, so they can send a thank you note. That would be the same as every other thank you note that they send to everyone. You'll have small kits, but you'll get that "thank you" that you so desperately need :)
I don't care if I get a thank you for shopping. However, if I see a designer JUST comment on the store CT or their own CT's pages and not an everyday scrapper, I get kinda pissed. Your CT is doing a job for you, a scrapper actually buys your kits.
Another thing? People buy digital kits because they love the craft. They usually discover the craft because they are too, let's say "budget conscious" to buy "real" products at a real store. Do you forget where your product comes from? From someone who seriously underprices the time and effort they put in to be able to keep the craft affordable for said people. I'm not speaking out of turn here, it's been mentioned time and time again that people won't spend more than $xxridiculously low amount per kit. And then to be slammed for not getting down on their knees and saying "thank you thank you thank you" for the pitiful amount you spend to do something that you...wait for it. ENJOY DOING. And is your choice to do it too.
Next time you're at Walmart or Michaels, why don't you check out the crafting department and see how much you'd spend on the real thing - I think you'll find that you get it pretty good. And the guy saying "thank you", whether he means it or not, really doesn't mean that much to you when you've spent over $20 to make ONE layout.
Oh yeah, and he doesn't give you free things every other week to keep you happy either. But that means nothing. Get off your high horse.
#178- That's the type of designer mentality people hate. If it weren't for the people who BUY your kits, then you would make NO money. Get off YOUR high horse.
#179 - did I say I was a designer? Some people who AREN'T designers can actually see the value in the work that they do and get sick of whiners like you, just like I'm sure they do. I don't think of it as customer VS designer, like you can only be on your designated side. I can just see it how it is. What can I say, I'm a realist :)
FWIW - I never post my layouts to galleries because I scrap for ME. It's not a contest. I don't scrap to boost my ego or for the comments on layouts like you obviously do. Why don't you try the same if it upsets you so much not to get any comments?
#180- You assume way to much dear. Who said anything about posting to galleries? I was making a comment based off the way YOU came across. Your the one who came across as being on a high horse not me. FWIW also, I personally don't care who comments on my layouts. I also don't care if I get a thank you nor do I expect one.
Actually, digi really isn't that cheap if you print your layouts, which I do. I think that some designers #78? forget this extra cost to the customer. When I buy from Michaels', I have the entire product - there's no extra cost.
#180 - Then why bother getting your panties in a knot about it then? Did I actually hit some home truths when I called you out for being an ego-maniac? Poor diddums :)
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Anyone check out the SM FB blog hop? What a joke. Just a bunch of coupons (10%, 15%, etc.) from each designer. The way it was being promoted I expected more--like a kit I could collect or something.
Melissa Bennett is one of the new CU designers over at SHC. Makes me wonder if sales are down at SSD.
I think Marie H is shop addict, she opened her personal store *rolling eyes*
So....anyone looking at the games gallery at SSD? Any of the pages stand out to people as possible winners?
I thought this was supposed to be judged by three judges but now I read it's going to the community to vote.
Another popularity contest.
I have my favorites in the contest at SSD, but it will be interesting to see if they make it. There are certain scrappers that I find inspiring because they do different things in addition to scrapping memories, etc. I don't see too many pushing themselves creatively.
Where did you see that Shabby Pickle is closing?
I don't think Shabby Pickle has been announced to the public. I know certain CTs have been informed.
About the SSD contest, the Babe layouts are mostly horrible examples. They should clearly show how they meet the requirements, but they appear to be causing nothing but confusion. I'm not playing, but I've been watching and looking and really, you're better off not even looking at their sample pages.
I also have my favorites there and I hope they win something.
SSD not exclusive?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=306716
it's been up since this morning.
And the sharks already smell the blood in the water. Seriously tacky, Hummie. How about you let the presses cool off before you start pimping your store? As if it's any kind of serious option for the Shabby Pickle designers? Right...
LOL she is too damn much
SSD doesnt do CU, right? So a CU only shop would probably be okay?? Besides, I know I make a ton of styles and such when I make a kit, why not profit from that as well if you are able?
I've never heard them say they were "exclusive except an all CU shop".
Marie H changes stores more than she changes underwear. She just started at STO and has left to start her "exciting" new store that looks pretty pathetic.
Not surprised about Secret Stash. She's a total twit anyway. Her being one of the highest earning designers is laughable. I'm sure she'll be back in 3 months like usual with yet another design name. Guess Kami couldn't beg her to stay on board any longer like she did Kay.
I'm sure they'll bring on new designers as they must be desperate for designers who regularly produce new products. How much longer can Suzy, Chelle, and Rachel hold that store together?
To the person who have the hint about Thaty and going to another store with an ex SBG designer, that's not much of a hint, there are too many ex SBG designers at different stores.
Not surprised about Secret Stash. She's a total twit anyway. Her being one of the highest earning designers is laughable. I'm sure she'll be back in 3 months like usual with yet another design name. Guess Kami couldn't beg her to stay on board any longer like she did Kay.
I'm sure they'll bring on new designers as they must be desperate for designers who regularly produce new products. How much longer can Suzy, Chelle, and Rachel hold that store together?
*eyeroll* puuuuleaze.
This is the most horrible travesty of digi kits ever! It's even worse than the camping blog train! Who is going to purchase this kit?
http://digiscrapstation.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=6478
^^$15 for that? Seriously? o.O
or FREE with a 10 buck purchase...ummm I think not!
Marie H was at Digiridoo for about 2 months before she left for STO where she has been for 2 months. I think before that I saw her at Ginger Scraps and possible With Love Studio. I wonder what her deal is?
I think Jen Yurko, Shannon and company better stop throwing stones before someone decides to throw some back. Y'all are pathetic the way you have to keep bringing her up. Clearly, no one cares but you.
How are Jen Yurko and Shannon throwing stones?
Is there a designer apprentice on again this year?
Unless I missed something, 24 is the first one to bring them up again so I don't get what she's talking about. Unless she's MarieH and thinks they're the ones complaining about her store-hopping (which I doubt they care where she goes).
I am most certainly not that twit Jen Yurko. I have worked with Marie H and know that she is one of the most unreliable designers around. I'm not sure what all stores she's been at (I'm truly not that interested in her), I just know she store hops - a lot, and to me, that is unprofessional. Just my opinion, which really isn't worth much considering I'm anonymous.
Sorry I meant 23 brought them up.
Store hoping is often seen as negative on the designer's part, but what if a designer tried to join stores and they find issues with the stores, the owners, the payment, the advertising done, the requirements that might change, etc? What if the designer is professional enough to not let herself into a bad situation and chooses to leave? I have been in several stores that changed owner, changed rules/requirements, changed style (if I am a paper style designer, I won't fit in the store if it changes to all fantasy stuff). I have left those stores that were just not doing anything for me and my business plan. Would I be looked down for having been in 3, 5 or 7 stores like that? Would a potential store owner see it as a bad thing that I was in so many stores, or a positive attribute that I am standing up for myself instead of just be a "follow-the-leader" type of designer?
Oh thank goodness we're talking about store hopping again. It's been awhile... eyeroll.
I checked out a few entries for the SSD thing. Some of those scrappers need to look-up what "deep journaling" means. Some knocked it out of the park. It's a crap shoot.
It would be nice to see some staff comments on those pages, though. I'm not usually one for making my CT leave comments, but this is a contest and it's the store CT. It wouldn't hurt the designers to leave comments, too. Those people BOUGHT your products for crying out loud. Thankless hags.
29-As a customer, I can honestly say it would make me think that the problem was you. As a CT member, I'd probably go where you go if I liked your team. As a designer, I'd wait until I found the perfect store and then apply there, and make it last at least a year before I switched again. As a competitive designer, when I found out you were changing stores again, I'd come here and roll my eyes. As a store owner, I'd probably not ask you to join the team of designers.
16-I like her products.
Changing stores a few times is different that Marie H. She just looks for the thrill of the new store again and again and again.
34, you could be talking about plenty of other designers with that description. Lauren Reid comes immediately to mind. She has been an incessant store hopper for many years. Is there a store left that she hasn't been at?
35-SBG?
Wanna take bets that Nicole herself is behind the "deep journaling" requirement at SSD?
I own a store Marie used to sell in. Her sales were a 'low-average' for the store. (As opposed to low). She did not give me a reason, but posted on her blog that she was going to resign from designing. I knew she had already said that at least once before.
If she would approach me again to rejoin my store, I would say no due to all the store hopping. I'm thinking she's more than likely had a couple rejections, due to the fact that she is only at her personal store & My Memories.
#31 I couldn't agree more about the comments. This requires a lot of people to buy more products and they can't even take time to leave comments.
Makes me think the"judging" will be a farce.
Of course the judging will be a farce. SSD is and always has been totally clique-ish.
I am honestly surprised that people still bother with them.
I think Jen Yurko, Shannon and company better stop throwing stones before someone decides to throw some back. Y'all are pathetic the way you have to keep bringing her up
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WTF? No one has mentioned these people in ages. What are you talking about? The only person bringing them up is you.
29-As a customer, I can honestly say it would make me think that the problem was you. As a CT member, I'd probably go where you go if I liked your team. As a designer, I'd wait until I found the perfect store and then apply there, and make it last at least a year before I switched again. As a competitive designer, when I found out you were changing stores again, I'd come here and roll my eyes. As a store owner, I'd probably not ask you to join the team of designers.
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You hit the nail squarely on the head! When I was designing, the shortest time I spent at store was three months. The first one was because the owner was flaky, didn't pay on time and had no clue what she was doing. I actually was there a month longer than I should have been. The second time I could see the writing on the wall and instinctively knew the owner was going to sell the store in about two months time and sure enough, she did. The other three stores I was at for at least 18 months.
Which is the deep journaling comp? I only see the one where they have to create a layout with depth.
Could someone point me in the right direction?
Which designers do you think have stayed in their store/s the longest?
#43 that challenge specifically states that your journaling needs to show depth as well
wouldn't deep journaling be pretty subjective? What I may consider to be deep journalng could be totally different to someone else.
#43 that challenge specifically states that your journaling needs to show depth as well
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Ah, thanks. I didn't read the whole thing. My bad.
wouldn't deep journaling be pretty subjective?
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No. Deep jounaling makes you feel a connection, even if you don't understand it.
It doesn't matter you journal about, it's how your journal about it. You could journal about your love of Hersheys Kisses, but to make it deep, you'd really have go into detail about why you loved them. Not just a superficial - I love them because they taste good and look cute. Which is pretty much what some of those pages have on them.
but again would that not be subjective? I may feel a connection whereas someone else may not. I understand the not being cutesy and superficial and think your analogy is perfect.
I will fully admit to not knowing anything about this contest as I haven't looked. Maybe I should so I don't sound like I'm talking out of my arse.
I just read the challenge, saw the layout examples and don't think the CT exhibited good examples of 'deep' jouranling for the contestants to go by. Hence my previous comment about it being subjective, although #48 your example put it in perfect perspective and something like that may have been helpful in the explanation of the challenge.
I just read the challenge, saw the layout examples and don't think the CT exhibited good examples of 'deep' jouranling for the contestants to go by.
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Agreed. I think the first one was fine, the second one completely superficial and the third one was nearly there, but it skipped over the 'deep' part.
but again would that not be subjective? I may feel a connection whereas someone else may not.
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True, but I think if you get a reaction, even if it's a - ew, how can she like Hersheys Kisses, they are so revolting - it's something. A mere - meh - isn't anything, and that's what a lot of the journaling on those pages did for me - meh.
I agree with the PP about the Babe pages being mostly bad examples so far, but I'm not surprised. Most of them aren't inspiring any other day, so why would they be now?
I looked at the journaling challenge layouts posted as I'm big on journaling and a few are really amazing and very moving. One even made me cry. The rest are very superficial. I, too, like the Hershey's kisses analogy. Very well put.
Was it the September 11th one that made you cry?
54- No, that one was sad, though. The one about the babies and being a great mom. Those empty baby buggies in the empty frames got to me. That was deep. That one and the 9-11 one seem so out of place next to the first day of school and she likes frosting layouts.
The great mom on was so sad. I find it sad that the 2 deep layouts are the ones that look out of place when they are the people who actually executed the challenge perfectly.
There are more than two deep layouts. There's
Red, White and Splash
Crazy
Super Heroes
This Old House
Start
Forever
and just added
Stop the Madness
Spread my Wings
Woah. What the hell happened at Scrappity-Doo-Dah ... the logo and the side labels are bleeding glitter!
I haven't gone there in a while - it was so ugly after the last face lift. But this is far, far worse.
http://www.scrappity-doo-dah.com/store/
^^^^^^^
Hmmm I think SDD is tastefully done. I've seen a whole lot worse on many other sites. At least they don't garbage up their site with a ton of graphics.
Gawd, that's awful... looks like someone puked glitter on the words.
Where are open galleries nowadays - besides MSA, DST, and DSA? Thanks...
#59 - if you think that's "tasteful", you need help. It's tacky as hell.
#57 - I agree there are other deep layouts there, but in the mix with many superficial ones. I'm not sure I'd call Red White and Splash deep. Crazy has too many typos. The others are OK. Start is very good, though, too. Very deep.
Digi crap apalooza on the road? $75 on sale for tickets you can get for $18? Sounds like Kami is looking to travel the country and have all those poor suckers pay for it. They're not even giving you anything Scrap Orchard except a 20% discount! Please tell me people aren't this stupid!
http://scraporchard.com/market/Digiscrapapalooza-Utah-2012.html
Some very deep ones added today:
This is the army life
My 9/11 Story
Motherhood (not as deep but good)
FruitLoOp Sally is guesting at OSD....didn't she retire?
61 - reallifescrapped.com is an open gallery
I read some of them and agree, there are some that make you sigh, think and a quite a few that sound like regular pages.
I love the irony of this. Check out the kit name and how it's spelled on the preview.
http://shop.scrapmatters.com/product.php?productid=11798&cat=371&page=1
The Tattered Pear is closing up shop at TLP.
digiscrapforum.com is an open gallery
You're either an idiot or you can't read. The price includes 2 day tickets, admission to the digi lounge, and the so discount and that all costs considerably more than the price they're charging.
#68 - Unless she changed it or I'm blind, I don't see anything. Unless you're referring to the backward N in Change.
I'd be more worried about that obvious iPhone. Apple can be insane about their copyright.
72 - She changed it. It said "Leraning."
The Tattered Pear is closing up shop at TLP.
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No surprise there.
Woah. What the hell happened at Scrappity-Doo-Dah ... the logo and the side labels are bleeding glitter!
I haven't gone there in a while - it was so ugly after the last face lift. But this is far, far worse.
http://www.scrappity-doo-dah.com/store/
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While I don't like this, it's much better than what was there before.
I have been browsing around stores and forums and it made me wonder. Why does everyone think the sales at a store like ScrapMatters are a lot higher than at a store like Stuff to Scrap? Both stores have about the same number of registered users and active users in their forums. Are there a ton of people buying products from SM that aren't registered in the forum? I can understand stores that have huge numbers in the forums (GP, SSD) making big sales, but quite a few of the stores that people rave about here don't have forum numbers that different than the stores people say are horrible.
That doesn't even make sense to me. Why would forum numbers = sales? The quality of the designers at SM is completely different from the rubbish at STS.
Personally I am active on one forum. I shop at about 4 other stores on top of that. I doubt I'm the only one who does the same. I don't have the time or the patience to participate in every forum I come across.
Maybe the glittery letters are supposed to tie in with their August special Wanderlust.
Are there a ton of people buying products from SM that aren't registered in the forum?
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Most of the stores I buy from, I'm not registered in the forums and I'm guessing that's petty common.
Same here. I buy in stores but am not active on their forums, mainly because most of them are super clique-ish.
SM's blog hop.... I think a couple look really good, but has anyone downloaded them? Any to avoid? I think it is site staff and designers...
I'm active in 2 forums... and buy from maybe 5 stores.
Totally agree on the clique-ish....
I tend to buy more where I'm not active, honestly. The more active you become, the more shallow you realize so many designers and CT are and that ruins it for me. I stop buying from stores and designers because I feel so crappy about them.
I've bought from SSD for years and I'm not active in their forums. Watching this contest and seeing all the groupies love on other groupies while ignoring everyone else has made me think twice about shopping there again.
It gets tough once you see things in forums and on Facebook. You realize most of them really are thankless and unappreciative of your business.
I have a TB of scrap kits, it's pretty safe to say I don't need anymore. Making your customers feel unappreciated isn't any way to get money I don't need to spend, but want to spend. I'd rather give it to someone else who hasn't shown their ass... yet.
#84, thanks for summing up how I feel. Seeing the love go pouring in for the select few who are all BFFs and seeing some really amazing pages get no love at all is pretty sickening.
I'm not active in their forum either and now I know why.
#84 well said
Of course Crystal is in there. I don't know an ass she doesn't kiss. Her pages bore me and I don't find anything exciting about them at all.
84 - That is exactly how I feel as well. I am going through old kits and re-using because, frankly, I can't think of anyone at this moment who I like the kit and "deserves" my money.
84- couldn't have put it any better. I'm actually taking part and out of three LOs I have had 6 comments, they decent pages but because I'm not in the click and I don't participate in the forum they are not getting any comments.
Some of you are so stupid.
SSD has ALWAYS been this way. Duh.
It's not just SSD. It's many sites and designers. Scrap Orchard as a site is horrible, but there are some nice designers there. Most of the CT is just as cliquish as SSD if not worse. TLP is cliquish, too.
I just mention SSD because that's what people are talking about right now, but they're not the only cliquish site out there.
#90 - Exactly how does not hanging out in forums and therefore not knowing how the forums have always been make one stupid?
91, you are right. SSD isn't the only cliqueish site. But they are definitely one of-if not THE worst.
whoever said that about Crystal is so right. Her pages are boring. Totally boring and yet Laura, Kimberly, Tara, Sara and that entire "clique" fawn all over them.
#94 - Laura completely irritates me and I don't think her pages are anything special.
#84 - That's why I don't participate in anything at SSD anymore. I got so sick of their cliqueish ways. Every once in a while, I used to go through the gallery looking for great pages that got completely ignored, and I would leave some love.
I also think it's sad that the SSD designers can't be bothered to leave comments, even if it's a simple thanks, when people post LOs in their gallery. As a designer, if I see a layout posted that uses one of my products, I make sure to leave a comment. To me, that's just good business and lets my customers know I appreciate them.
#95- SSD designers hardly ever leave comments. Which is why alot of people call them stuck-up. If they do leave comments it's almost always on CT pages. Never on everyday customers who actually buy their stuff.
Don't forget Kendall in that "group". Laura irritates me also. There is just something about her I just can't stand. Maybe it's how huge her gums are. Thank God I'm not on any CT teams with her and don't have to talk to her.
I did forget to add Kendall, she's one of the worst offenders.
I think what bugs me is that Laura says that she's "the people's babe" but she actually just reinforces the clique mentality.
#97- If I had to pick a people's babe, it would be Nikki Epperson. She is much easier to approach and alot nicer.
A lot of designers don't leave comments, it's not just SSD ones.
I have personally only come across one designer who left a comment on every single one of my pages using her kits and I wasn't even on her CT.
The reason I don't participate in forums has nothing to do with how designers, CTs etc behave, because I don't care about that. I don't participate because I haven't found one that suits me. The only one that ever did shut down.
99 - Which store/forum closed?
99 - Which store/forum closed?
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Not a store, just a forum and it was a long time ago, so it doesn't really matter.
Didnt TLP have special offers for their BYOC (buy X amount, get X% off)? It's not there now. Wonder if they forgot or discontinued it? Anyone know?
http://www.the-lilypad.com/forums/showthread.php?18935-Day-21-of-SBL-from-Lauren-Grier!
There's a little blurb about it in Laura's post.
Thanks, but it's not working. There are no coupon codes listed to save and it's not automatically taking the extra savings. Oh well, their loss I suppose.
Yea, it does work. Check the product prices. It automatically deducts. At least it did yesterday.
Yes, not yea- obviously.
I can see the discounts under special offers too. They applied automatically once I had $15 in my cart.
I've never seen designers leave comments on any LO's other than their CTs.
While I'm sure it would be impossible to leave comments for everyone, it would be nice if they made even a tiny bit of effort to throw some comments around once in a while.
After all, almost all of them have CT requirements of posting LOs in galleries and being active commenters in forums or galleries.
Bunch of hypocrites.
I don't do LO's to hear "omg, cute page!" "wow, love your shadows" or whatever. Maybe you can comment on every page done with your kit if you sell three or four of each kits, but some of those SSD designers have thousands of pages in their gallery. They are designers, not your personal cheerleaders. If you really need someone to pump up your ego, post it in an enabling thread. There's one at SSD for LO's that need "love".
That said, I've done challenges at SO and an ADSR one for TLP, plus challenges at little stores. My SSD pages have more comments than SO or TLP and a designer from SSD DID comment on my page. And I've gotten more comments at stores than anything I've ever uploaded at DST or MSA. Comments are nice, but really how sincere is a designer or CT member scrolling through being forced to leave comments? How many comments do you need to be happy?
109-I'm on several ct's and none of them require gallery comments. The designers encourage them, but don't require them. Only one designer I've ever ct'd for required the comments. A lot of the designers leave comments on my pages. Not all of them, but over half of them. I also see those designers active in the forums, hosting challenges and speed scraps. I've had designers I don't CT for comment on many of my pages. I've also had designers that I do ct for comment on pages of mine that aren't made with their product. Almost all the designers comment on the pages in the private forums.
We are talking about STORE CTs and during a big contest, not every day postings to galleries. I don't know of any store CT that doesn't have a gallery requirement for one, but during a contest? Of course you want to leave as many comments as possible. No one is saying every CT or designer needs to leave a comment on every LO, but at SSD, there were tons of postings that had ZERO comments on them days after posting for this contest.
That's shit.
#111- It seems that only the people they like get comments.
That's how I feel sometimes at TLP. You will go into the gallery and see alot of pages with no comments, yet if you look at the Lilypad CT pages, they all have comments. Even if they were posted after the other pages to the gallery. It's really shitty.
I am on a couple of creative teams and I just have to say that it is so hard for me sometimes to leave a genuine comment on others layouts.
The layers, shadows, photos or it just may look sloppy it's easier to pass it and not say something like great job or great page when in reality it's just not. I'm sure it's hard to hear this because I was in this place when I started scrapping and I often wondered wtf am I doing wrong and then I figured it out.
Sometimes the designers I ct for don't leave me comments and I'm creating for them do I take it personally NO because I know they like what I do or else I wouldn't be on the team :)
#114 - You sound like a snobby CTM to me. There is always something nice about a page if you look for it. Even beginner scrappers deserve to have something nice pointed out - especially since they PURCHASED the kit from the designer. Even if it isn't up to your high standards, someone scrapped that with love for themselves and their family. Maybe the photo was nice, maybe the persepctive was interesting, maybe they had a fun title, great journaling, etc.
I hate that bullshit about not finding anything nice to say. There are so few layouts in galleries that don't have something nice about them.
What a great sense of community you have. How lucky for your designers to have you on their teams...
No one is taking this personally, honey. We're talking about thanking your customers for their business. SSD is having a contest for a reason - to drum up business. The least they could do is thank the people who put food on their tables.
115- Well said!
108 - I have to agree that I don't see a lot of designers commenting on layouts in their own galleries, but there are always exceptions to the rule
As a CTM and a customer, I'd much rather have fewer comments that are actually sincere than to have comments left because it's someone's job to go around posting comments (like at SO and DST). Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! Pretty layout! over and over. I'd rather have NO comments. I understand showing appreciation, but phony appreciation is almost worse than none at all.
I like the SO galleries... its the only site where I've noticed designers regularly posting comments on layouts that aren't by their CT.
#115 Totally agree on everything you said!
#118 I hate comments like that too. I do play the praise game at DST but always point out WHAT I like about a page instead of the oh so annoying 'pretty page'-shit.
I just looked through the SSD Summer Games gallery and couldn't find one LO with no comments. I'm not sure what ya'll are complaining about. I didn't go through each and every page-but enough of each to get an idea.
The designers at GP leave comments on people's layouts. I've gotten comments thanking me for using their kit or, if I do a challenge a designer is hosting, they leave comments. Same with speed scraps and other stuff. Don't lump all designers together. Some actually do and they're not all at SO. I also get coupons from designers at GP after I've made a purchase. And they're good coupons and I appreciate them!
Even if it isn't up to your high standards, someone scrapped that with love for themselves and their family.
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So, if they scrapped it for themselves and their family, I guess it really shouldn't matter what some person they don't even know says (or doesn't say) about it in a gallery. If they really do care about the comments, I guess that's why they really scrapped it and put it in the gallery.
Frankly, I got tired of insincere comments I'd get on layouts. Since that's not why I'm scrapping, I just stopped putting them in galleries and took what I had in the galleries out.
Why should a designer have to leave comments on layouts to thank someone for buying their product? Did the designer of the last pair of jeans you bought give you a personal thankyou? How about the cow who's milk you bought...did he call you up to thank you? I think it's ridiculous to think that a designer needs to leave comments as a thank you for buying their product. It's a business transaction, for crying out loud, not a purchase of someone else's validation of what you do.
115: Honey, go read 123's comment. I'm going to call every company I just bought groceries from and ask them why they aren't thanking me for buying xyz products, bwaaahhaaa
123: Love it! & I totally agree.
DST Blogtrain for september again hideous colors. It's called Inspire me...well it doesn't!
If you're going to start expecting designers to comment on layouts because you purchased their product, then don't forget to look for the comments from Adobe, Corel or whoever it is that makes the software that you use to create the layout. While you're at it, look for comments from Nikon or Canon too, since the pictures you scrapped were taken with a camera they manufactured.
Or, you could just join the real world.
I don't give a rat's ass about comments.
But I see the point about the SSD designers maybe pretending to give a shit during their big promotional contest.
Honestly, I'm fine with the business transaction way of looking at dig purchases.
It does go both ways, however. Don't demand or even expect credits in the galleries. It was a business transaction, after all. I paid you money for the kit. Unless you're paying me to do your advertising for you, don't expect me to have the time to credit every last paper, staple, or flower.
oops, dig should be digi.
Actually, that's one of the best palettes they've had in ages. I mean, it isn't drop dead gorgeous but at least it's workable, which can't be said for about the last 6.
I can remember in the early days of digi DST when this was not taken seriously as a business. Does anyone remember threads about a customer being mad when the designer 'pulled the mommy card'. The customer who complained at DST was severely chastised because said customer wanted digital scrapping businesses to be more professional.
I thought about that last night when I read the comments on whether designers should leave comments on layouts. Back when digital designing was perceived more as a hobby than a business I did get a few comments from designers that I bought from. I didn't get a lot of comments but a few. There seemed to be much more interaction on the boards between designers and customers back then.
Nothing earth shattering here..just remembering how it used to be.
On another note, when I buy groceries at Walmart it's not unusual for me to get a thank you for shopping there.
Honestly, I'm fine with the business transaction way of looking at dig purchases.
It does go both ways, however. Don't demand or even expect credits
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I completely agree.
113 - That's exactly how I feel at TLP also. Their gallery is all comments for their CT team and no one else. I used to shop there A LOT and participate in their monthly challenges. Then I realized that they could really care less - I received thank yous and comments from Krista Sahlin and no one else. She is the only one I am currently buying from there as a result. If they changed it up, I may consider going back.
It does go both ways, however. Don't demand or even expect credits in the galleries. It was a business transaction, after all. I paid you money for the kit. Unless you're paying me to do your advertising for you, don't expect me to have the time to credit every last paper, staple, or flower.
I thought this bore repeating. It's why I won't post in the gallery unless there is a prize or a point involved. I don't do free advertising for anybody except friends n family.
On the other hand, I couldn't care less if any LO I made gets a comment. But I am not in the community like some scrappers and if you are trying to make them feel part of your community, which is connected to you and your store, and if you want to increase sales, you it makes sense that you ought to comment on their LOs as a part of your business.
I don't mind putting my credits. I don't understand why anyone would. If you like my page, and you want the kit - wouldn't you like knowing where I got it and who made it?
It's great if you don't mind putting credits.
And, on the flip side, it should also be ok if I don't want to mess with them.
Maybe once in a while, I might feel like saying kits by x, y, and z or something like that.
But designers shouldn't expect or demand it.
I don't bother with galleries anymore. But if I want to put my LOs on FB, or my blog, etc. I'm not going to bother with credits.
No one I know IRL digi scraps, so they're not going to be asking me where I got the kit.
I have always found the TLP comments to be more genuine, even if they aren't as plentiful.
On the note of designers commenting... I don't expect them to. However, if a designer can take a moment out of their day to show some appreciation to their customers, it makes a huge difference to how much repeat business they get from me. I'll still buy stuff from designers I don't hear from of course, but I'll make a point of purchasing from designers who've left a comment in the past.
A designer who doesn't respond to an email about an issue however will not get any business from me, no matter how much I like their stuff (thankfully Zoe Pearn is the only designer I've come across this with)
Interesting, 139, the only designers I've ever had a problem with responding to CS issues are from SSD. Melissa Bennett was one. Mandabean was another.
I've heard that about Zoe Pearn from more than person.
Weren't there recent complaints on this issue with Liella or one of the new SSD designers?
My feelings exactly, #137. I have all my layouts on Facebook and on Picasa and I didn't bother with credits in either place. The only people who can see them, other than me, are my family and friends that I give the links to...and they could care less what the kit or designer is or what store to buy it in.
#139- You haven't tried to email Jady Day. She never responds. Zoe is a flake! She responds when it suits her. If she responds to you at all.
A LO created with a digital kit that you purchase is a derivative work. Essentially, TOUs license the scrapper with permission to create derivative works. Along with the right to grant permission to create derivative works, each designer (as the copyright holder) also has the right to demand that you credit their original copyrighted work when you publish your derivative work (yes, posting your layout online is actually publishing, just as real as if you were to publish it in a book). Designers actually DO have a legal right to demand crediting.
If you don't like crediting you have two choices: find designers that allow derivative works without credit or don't publish your layouts online.
Good luck finding my LOs and demanding credits, 143.
I don't put LOs in galleries, but I do share them with family once in a while.
Crap like you posted above is why no one will take digi seriously.
So paranoid and demanding.
Oops, sorry to Liella. It was Jady Day that I was thinking of with the recent complaints about not responding.
Sometimes I wonder if ignoring customer emails is a requirement to sell at SSD, though.
Designers actually DO have a legal right to demand crediting.
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Designers can demand it all they want. That doesn't mean it's going to happen.
144: I didn't create the definition of derivative works, so it has nothing to do with me being paranoid or demanding. I'm just stating the truth of the law. Direct that complain to the US Copyright office.
"Crap like you posted above is why no one will take digi seriously."
That statement is rather ironic considering the general consensus here is that designers ignoring copyright law is unprofessional and part of the reason why digi has a hard time being taken seriously. I guess because you're a scrapper and not a designer, you shouldn't be expected to adhere to the terms set forth in the licensing agreement that you agree to when you purchase the LICENSE TO USE the product?
As a side note, Basic Grey includes crediting (with a link to their website, even!) as a requirement when you post layouts made with their digital products online as well. Last time I checked, Basic Grey isn't considered small time by anyone who's been around the scrapbooking block for any length of time.
You have no idea who's a scrapper, who's a designer, or who's both, 147.
And your comments really don't apply to just about everyone who clearly said they don't put their LOs in galleries and just share them with family and friends.
If it makes you feel better to c&p stuff about copyright, knock yourself out. You're not changing anything.
Do you think this kit includes a dildo or do I just have a twisted mind?
http://www.scrapsandthecity.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_333&products_id=6671
It's a dildo. The kit is called Naughty Thoughts.
That site is awful. And by awful, I mean it's really shitty designing, etc. How did you even find a place like that??
#150- DST I'm guessing LOL.
I gave up on DST a long time ago, but it wouldn't surprise me at all, 150 :)
That site is awful. And by awful, I mean it's really shitty designing, etc. How did you even find a place like that??
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No, it was posted on a digiscrap ad group on Facebook.
#153- Figures!
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product.
I also thought the DST Blog train colors this month were much better than normal.
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product.
Aug 6, 2012 4:45:00 PM
this is a common and longstanding problem in digi.
LMAO at the pitiful "Naughty Thoughts" kit. Cupcakes and dildoes, just what everyone needs in a scrap kit!
If you're going to start expecting designers to comment on layouts because you purchased their product, then don't forget to look for the comments from Adobe, Corel or whoever it is that makes the software that you use to create the layout. While you're at it, look for comments from Nikon or Canon too, since the pictures you scrapped were taken with a camera they manufactured.
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Yeah, because a small business is the exact same thing as a big business. Who knew?
And guess what? Every small business I have ever purchased from thanks me for my business. So that blows your and #123 ridiculous analogy out of the window.
What I find ironic is a designer who bought CU and doesn't give credit to the CU designer in her TOU but DEMANDS credit when a scrapper uses THEIR product.
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A lot of CU designers don't require credit. Next ...
LMAO at the pitiful "Naughty Thoughts" kit. Cupcakes and dildoes, just what everyone needs in a scrap kit!
Aug 6, 2012 4:54:00 PM
+1
Very weak effort
Wtf kind of layout would you be scrapping to need a dildo o.O
LMAO at the pitiful "Naughty Thoughts" kit. Cupcakes and dildoes, just what everyone needs in a scrap kit!
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She's clearly not targeting everyone.
Wtf kind of layout would you be scrapping to need a dildo o.O
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It says tagger size, so no layout at all.
On another note, when I buy groceries at Walmart it's not unusual for me to get a thank you for shopping there.
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Exactly.
Just for grins, I wonder what kind of comments a dildo LO would get in the praise game @ DST?
"Nice page"? "Amazing"? "Beautiful page"?
Most designers post a thank you graphic in their zips.
I'm gonna go with something in the "creative use of elements" theme, 166 ;P
On another note, when I buy groceries at Walmart it's not unusual for me to get a thank you for shopping there.
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And you really think they mean it, or do you think they might get paid to do that... I really don't think the spotty kid who thanks you when you check out really gives a shit that you shopped there :)
It says tagger size, so no layout at all.
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Hum... what kind of tag one would want to need a dildo?
And you really think they mean it, or do you think they might get paid to do that... I really don't think the spotty kid who thanks you when you check out really gives a shit that you shopped there :)
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I did work there. I told the customers thank you. I told them to have a nice day/night. I didn't mean it.
Believe me, they don't give a shit.
A lot of CU designers don't require credit. Next ...
That's true, so it's really in bad taste when the designer who used that CU demands credit from scrappers.
Somehow I don't think you're getting it.
The fact that people don't mean it when a customer thanks a shopper WHO IS WHY THEY HAVE A PAYCHECK is the problem. People have really lost sight of where their paychecks come from...
The fact that people don't mean it when a customer thanks a shopper WHO IS WHY THEY HAVE A PAYCHECK is the problem. People have really lost sight of where their paychecks come from...
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I get that, and I agree totally. BUT comparing a digi designer to the guy at Walmart who thanks you out of duty is stupid. The reality is that the "thank you for shopping with... insert name of store here" is the equivalent of the guy at Walmart's "thank you". It's just as heart felt and the duty is done.
How about this? You want a personal thank you every time you spend your $5 or whatever with a designer? Ok, so you'd be happy if they reduce their kit sizes so you get next to nothing, so that they have the time to go around, finding out who shops with them, so they can send a thank you note. That would be the same as every other thank you note that they send to everyone. You'll have small kits, but you'll get that "thank you" that you so desperately need :)
I don't care if I get a thank you for shopping. However, if I see a designer JUST comment on the store CT or their own CT's pages and not an everyday scrapper, I get kinda pissed. Your CT is doing a job for you, a scrapper actually buys your kits.
Somehow I don't think you're getting it.
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Somehow I think you're wrong, never mind.
I did work there. I told the customers thank you. I told them to have a nice day/night. I didn't mean it.
Believe me, they don't give a shit.
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Why not?
Another thing? People buy digital kits because they love the craft. They usually discover the craft because they are too, let's say "budget conscious" to buy "real" products at a real store. Do you forget where your product comes from? From someone who seriously underprices the time and effort they put in to be able to keep the craft affordable for said people. I'm not speaking out of turn here, it's been mentioned time and time again that people won't spend more than $xxridiculously low amount per kit. And then to be slammed for not getting down on their knees and saying "thank you thank you thank you" for the pitiful amount you spend to do something that you...wait for it. ENJOY DOING. And is your choice to do it too.
Next time you're at Walmart or Michaels, why don't you check out the crafting department and see how much you'd spend on the real thing - I think you'll find that you get it pretty good. And the guy saying "thank you", whether he means it or not, really doesn't mean that much to you when you've spent over $20 to make ONE layout.
Oh yeah, and he doesn't give you free things every other week to keep you happy either. But that means nothing. Get off your high horse.
#178- That's the type of designer mentality people hate. If it weren't for the people who BUY your kits, then you would make NO money. Get off YOUR high horse.
#179 - did I say I was a designer? Some people who AREN'T designers can actually see the value in the work that they do and get sick of whiners like you, just like I'm sure they do. I don't think of it as customer VS designer, like you can only be on your designated side. I can just see it how it is. What can I say, I'm a realist :)
FWIW - I never post my layouts to galleries because I scrap for ME. It's not a contest. I don't scrap to boost my ego or for the comments on layouts like you obviously do. Why don't you try the same if it upsets you so much not to get any comments?
#180- You assume way to much dear. Who said anything about posting to galleries? I was making a comment based off the way YOU came across. Your the one who came across as being on a high horse not me. FWIW also, I personally don't care who comments on my layouts. I also don't care if I get a thank you nor do I expect one.
Actually, digi really isn't that cheap if you print your layouts, which I do. I think that some designers #78? forget this extra cost to the customer. When I buy from Michaels', I have the entire product - there's no extra cost.
#180 - Then why bother getting your panties in a knot about it then? Did I actually hit some home truths when I called you out for being an ego-maniac? Poor diddums :)
^^ should have been addressed to #181 :)
#183- My panties are fine. Thank you for your concern about them being in a "wad".
#178 - you can repeatedly sell a digi kit over and over and over again - I think the designer makes their money on repeat sales. Just saying.
And I don't know any designer who gives me free stuff every other week. Not a one.
Or a "knot".
I'm wondering who the "he" is #178 is referring to?
I'm wondering who the "he" is #178 is referring to?
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Seriously? It's the guy she mentions in the second paragraph.
Panties can be in a "cluster" too.
#185/187 - get it right would you? Oh dear, don't misquote me or I might get mine in a knot/wad/bunch/twist too :)
Michaels is a store. Not a "he".
#191- You forgot cluster too.
I'm wondering who the "he" is #178 is referring to?
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Total conspiracy :-/
#189- I see it now. Thanks. It's morning here and I just woke up.
#194- Didn't you know scrapbooking is a conspiracy? LOL
Michaels is a store. Not a "he".
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Really? Hahahaha, I love smart people. Go read it again - the "he" is the generic guy who works at the store.
"And **the guy** saying "thank you", whether he means it or not, really doesn't mean that much to you when you've spent over $20 to make ONE layout. "
#197- I misread the whole manic rant of that post. So, I read it again and saw who "he" was.
Michaels is a store. Not a "he".
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Oh, wow! Really? You don't say. I never knew
(go back, reread and then come and tell us what you learned)
#191- You forgot cluster too.
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Oh, I HATE panty clusters. They are the WORST. Much prefer bunches or wads.
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