Hey Traci Reed, stop being a whiny bitch about doing your job. You choose to make a 'process video' since you decided you needed to be all over the paper scrap work, don't whine about the work it takes.
I think both the store and the designer CT should provide me with inspiration and try to sell me the product. From my perspective as a shopper, I think it discourages me from shopping when too many products are used. I like for the store CT and the designer CT layouts to stick with just one to three kits, otherwise it is too difficult to figure out what goes with what.
I like the stuff in this, but probably won't purchase because there are too many separate products, and I like the way they work together and won't purchase that many products to make the layout work. Great layout though.
I have been thinking about the store CT discussion, re: their purpose is to inspire. I agree, but I don't know that inspiration translates into purchases especially when there is so much mix and match. I love to look at it, but it doesn't encourage me to shop as much as it encourages me to scrap. I have so much product that I am more likely to be encouraged to use my stash to duplicate the look. Just a thought.
You have to take these layouts for what they are and consider the source.
A simple scrapper is never going to be inspired by a busy layout. There is a huge, huge market for busier layouts and their products especially when you consider who some of the top template makers are (such as Cindy Schneider, Little Green Frog, Fiddle Dee Dee).
A busier scrapper is less likely to be inspired by a simple layout and isn't likely to click on it.
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page. That scrapper lacks the skills and or the desire to learn the skills necessary to create such a layout. It doesn't make one superior over the other, it just means one is not their cup of tea.
There are stores, designers, and products out there for everyone. A CT layout isn't going to sell a kit that's preview is nasty or that's colors are unappealing. It also can't sell a kit a customer loves if they don't have the extra money to spend. It also can't sell a $8 kit that looks similar enough to a $3 of equal quality and probably using the same CU.
ITA with what has been said about having just store CTs. They exist to get people scrapping and hopefully, eventually, shopping. Stores and designers have morphed CTs into marketers and that is helping sink this industry.
Over marketing has also hurt this industry. No one likes someone in their face and their inbox all the time. I was so annoyed over the constant bombardment from TLP over DSD weekend that I unsubscribed from their newsletter.
9, you thought TLP bombarded you over DSD? I think I got 2 emails from them. It's weird that I didn't get many if you got so many. Or maybe my idea of "a lot" is different than yours. One a day is OK with me during big weekends.
What I don't like is when *forums* send you lots of emails. Like, what the hell? I didn't sign up for your store newsletter, so why is the FORUM sending me email about sales in the store? I thought forum email would be like "Hey, the forums will be down for maintenance this weekend" or "You've got a new PM." DSF did that and I finally stopped receiving them (long after I unclicked "receive email from admin" in the forum).
A CT layout isn't going to sell a kit that's preview is nasty or that's colors are unappealing. It also can't sell a kit a customer loves if they don't have the extra money to spend. It also can't sell a $8 kit that looks similar enough to a $3 of equal quality and probably using the same CU.
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This is so true. I was a CTM, and some of the layouts I've made have made some really really really bad kits look pretty good or at least acceptable. Some of their previews are just awful. When you ct for a store, the ctm are often assigned designers to work with for a month. They were not kits I would have chosen to work with at all. I only ct for specific designers that I love now. I won't ct for a store that assigns designers.
7- And then there is this, which definitely shows off a kit I would never buy: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=302219&title=christmas-2013&cat=516
I really, really don't get it.
I looked at this layout and thought...what? did her 2 year old make that LO? stuff is just thrown on the page and is just weird. I looked at the kit it was made with and it is a cute kit but the layout is just strange!
I've been thinking about this idea that personal designer CTs are somehow ruining the market. I, personally, don't think that people being on CTs makes the customer base smaller. From one perspective, I was recently asked by a designer to join her team. I liked the designer's products and had bought a FEW over the years, but I was definitely not a regular customer. So she didn't lose a customer by putting me on her team.
Here is another perspective: I'm on a couple of designer teams. I would have thought that getting on a team or two would mean I'd end up spending less money on supplies. Has that happened? No, I continue to spend what my budget allows. I just am able to spend it on different designers. So my hunch is that having people on CTs isn't keeping money from being spent. It just redistributes it, and it probably all averages out.
The other argument against CTs seems to be this: Designers are putting the burden of marketing on CTMs instead of investing their own resources into marketing. They're taking the easy way out. How would changing this practice help the market? What I am hearing is that if designers HAD to do all the marketing work themselves, you would see a drop in the number of hobbyist designers so that the more dedicated, full-time designers could get a bigger piece of the pie and actually make a living on this. Am I correct in this understanding of the argument?
13- I agree with your remark about being on cts but still spending money. I'm on two teams I love, but still manage to spend the same amount of money I did before I started cting. My husband doesn't understand why I'm spending any money! If he knew how much I spent weekly when I was paper scrapping, though, he'd be more than happy that I'm only spending what I am now.
12-I think the girls that left love on that layout must be getting paid.
Over marketing has also hurt this industry. No one likes someone in their face and their inbox all the time. I was so annoyed over the constant bombardment from TLP over DSD weekend that I unsubscribed from their newsletter. ---- I disagree with this. I have no problem getting email from the stores and designers I love.
I looked at this layout and thought...what? did her 2 year old make that LO? stuff is just thrown on the page and is just weird. I looked at the kit it was made with and it is a cute kit but the layout is just strange! ----- This woman can't scrap worth a damn! She may take the worst babe scrapper title away from Trish!
There's a difference between liking something and recognizing the skill that goes into it, and wanting to recreate it for yourself. The shadows and depth and intricacy of the Christmas 2013 are really special. The way the star laps over the kewpie doll. The way the bow overlaps the house. I think this would be a wonderful title page for a Daily December, it's like you've unpacked all the Christmas Decorations but haven't put them up yet. I really kind of love it, the more that I look at it. Would I recreate it? Probably not. I'm not sure I'm able to be that random. But I do like it.
I actually love the babe's layouts. Her style might not be everyone's cup of tea because her style is different than normal scrapping. She focuses more on realism - her shadows, lighting... if you look at her other layouts, you'll see why she's in a different league altogether.
Her style might not be everyone's cup of tea because her style is different than normal scrapping. She focuses more on realism - her shadows, lighting.. - Whatever. However, if something isn't pleasing to the eye, it's not good, imo. We're not talking some cerebral art appreciation interpretation here. We're talking digital scrapbooking for memory keeping and if a page looks like crap, it certainly doesn't help sell me on the kit that was used to help make it look that way.
Now I looked at her other layouts and some of them are cute...but that one that was listed was downright unorganized and very strange. I don't know. Here is one that I liked of hers. There is a tree made from paper strips. I like this layout. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303224&title=c-is-for-christmas&cat=516
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516
we've been talking about LOs showing off a kit, but that white crumpled bg ppr on that lo post 12 linked us to is horrible. The upper edge is blurry. That could be the poster's inability to resize for web, but nothing else looks like that. And the whitest whites are just blown out. No real paper blinds you like that. In case you want the link, here it is again:
Speaking of dark shadows, I see a lot of really dark shadows lately. I think it is because people are using the shadow styles with linear burn. A linear burn shadow over dark papers (like with autumn kits or wood papers) makes for very dark shadows. I find myself switching back to multiply in these cases, but I think a lot of people just use the styles and don't bother to make adjustments.
Speaking of CT members....... how many websites or galleries are you required to upload your CT layouts to?? Are you required to have your own blog/website & facebook too?
With many stores having restrictions on the layouts you can upload to their store gallery (ie. must use products from their store's designers in the layouts), what other online galleries can you upload your CT layouts to? DST used to be popular before but seems slow now.
I don't like the Christmas 2013 layout, but the one 25 linked to looks nice. I think the shadows are done well. The LO looks like it's a paper LO taken with a camera-- very realistic. Wish I could shadow like that.
For my money its not the CT layouts that sell me the kit, its the preview. And there are definitely a lot of designers that get a BIG FAIL for this. IMO this preview is way too cluttered & I cant see the papers. Llooks like vomit. When you see this in small profiles I would skip it, nothing makes you want to take a closer look. http://shop.scrapmatters.com/images/cache/0e956e9da5ada8c57b49eda18679935d.jp
Where as this one in small previews would make me look at it, as I can see elements & papers clearly http://the-lilypad.com/store/images/P/onelittlebird-evergreen-preview.jpg
#13 "What I am hearing is that if designers HAD to do all the marketing work themselves, you would see a drop in the number of hobbyist designers so that the more dedicated, full-time designers could get a bigger piece of the pie and actually make a living on this. Am I correct in this understanding of the argument?"
Nailed it. Im not a designer so I don't have a dog in this race. I don't think designers should have to do all their own marketing, I would rather they concentrated on delivering quality product. I think some designers go overboard with the number of CTs. Five would be optimum, you could split the duties across the five and get diversity. Anything above that I see as more about pumping their own ego.
Nailed it. Im not a designer so I don't have a dog in this race. I don't think designers should have to do all their own marketing, I would rather they concentrated on delivering quality product. I think some designers go overboard with the number of CTs. Five would be optimum, you could split the duties across the five and get diversity. Anything above that I see as more about pumping their own ego. --- Actually, you're wrong. For a really productive designer, more than five ctm's ensures no one is overworked or has to feel guilty if they can't scrap on a certain day. The number of ctm's is usually added to when the others feel overworked. To say it's because the designer has a big ego is quite the assumption.
To say it's because the designer has a big ego is quite the assumption. ------------- Maybe so, but really, how many layouts do you need for a single kit? I have seen easily up to 12 layouts for one kit. Isn't that a bit of an overkill?
I've seen even more than 12 ... like 20. I think anything over 10 is overkill.
If a designer takes on more CTMs to lessen the burden, then why is the requirement still 4 layouts a month for most designers? Couldn't they drop it to 2 layouts per month if they have a big team?
Maybe so, but really, how many layouts do you need for a single kit? I have seen easily up to 12 layouts for one kit. Isn't that a bit of an overkill? -- You have a point. I have seen way too many layouts for a single kit, come to think of it.
If a designer takes on more CTMs to lessen the burden, then why is the requirement still 4 layouts a month for most designers? Couldn't they drop it to 2 layouts per month if they have a big team? __ See, I just assumed they did! That's what I get for talking about something which I have no firsthand knowledge.
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516 -- This lady is one of my fave scrappers at SSD. I think she's really talented.
I have never seen too many layouts for a kit - they all show various papers and elements and styles, and those all help me decide if I want the kit. I think it's much worse when there aren't enough examples.
#29 - Linear blend usually gives the best color to the shadow, but you have to have it at 45-55%, otherwise it looks way too dark. Also, you need to pick a color other than black for your shadow and be sure to feather it enough, otherwise you get those really hard-edge dark shadows that don't look good, at least IMO they don't look good.
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page. That scrapper lacks the skills and or the desire to learn the skills necessary to create such a layout. It doesn't make one superior over the other, it just means one is not their cup of tea.
^^^ Nice try. You can't say one style is done by newbies and those less refined and then say you don't think one is superior to the other.
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516 ^^^ This is a lovely layout but the title shadowing is all wrong. The only way it would have no shadow was if it was written, in which case it wouldn't be on top of the shadowed snowman the way it is. My eye goes there and it agitates me so it ruins the whole layout.
This is a lovely layout but the title shadowing is all wrong. The only way it would have no shadow was if it was written, in which case it wouldn't be on top of the shadowed snowman the way it is. My eye goes there and it agitates me so it ruins the whole layout. -- HA! You're absolutely right. I didn't catch that and NOW it's irritating me when I look at it. That's something that I would completely redo of my own if I hadn't saved the layers. It would bug me that much!
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page. __ A less refined scrapper? I'd LOVE to see your work since you obviously view yourself as refined, skilled and artistic.
Whatever. However, if something isn't pleasing to the eye, it's not good, imo. We're not talking some cerebral art appreciation interpretation here. We're talking digital scrapbooking for memory keeping and if a page looks like crap, it certainly doesn't help sell me on the kit that was used to help make it look that way. _______ ^^Best Post of the Day!^^
Really? Out of the whole SSD gallery you choose the snow adorable LO as one of your faves? The kit colors have nothing to do with the photo! Blue, green, yellow, brown - the kid is in a PINK sled with a PURPLISH jacket! The chipboard snowflakes, well the shadows are just wrong. Plus it would have been so cute to have the kid looking at the snowman, but I suppose the template said she had to put something there, so she did. All-in-all, I would call that a beginner's LO or a huge FAIL if that person is a babe. It doesn't inspire me to buy the kit, it doesn't inspire me to scrap, nada. There must be a lot of SSD people here who have drunk the koolaid. Affects their eyesight.
46 - I'm too busy looking at your pixelated layouts with your shit photos and your overuse of papyrus font. Since that is what less refined refers to and those pages actually exist in galleries all over digi. You were clearly offended and that's sad. It has nothing to do with how I scrap or if I even scrap at all.
46 - I'm too busy looking at your pixelated layouts with your shit photos and your overuse of papyrus font. Since that is what less refined refers to and those pages actually exist in galleries all over digi. You were clearly offended and that's sad. It has nothing to do with how I scrap or if I even scrap at all. -- You're right. It has nothing to do with how or if you scrap. It has everything to do with you being an ignorant blowhard who has absolutely no idea how to articulate what you mean. If you do scrap, I hope it's done better than your posting.
Really? Out of the whole SSD gallery you choose the snow adorable LO as one of your faves? The kit colors have nothing to do with the photo! Blue, green, yellow, brown - the kid is in a PINK sled with a PURPLISH jacket! The chipboard snowflakes, well the shadows are just wrong. Plus it would have been so cute to have the kid looking at the snowman, but I suppose the template said she had to put something there, so she did.
-- Actually, you have a few good points here. While I initially liked the page, the title bugs me now and I don't like the color combos. That KCB kit is not one of my faves anyway. You're right about the kid looking at the snowman..it would have been very cute!
So- I hear tons about certain designers and stores here. Curious as to opinions about little known designers- or stores for that matter. I know taste differs but would sincerely like to hear YOUR picks as to favorite designers NOT at TLP, SO, SSD, P & Co. or SBG. I'm itching to go shopping. :)
Does Mscraps not care about copyright violations? http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-blendedfamily/ and http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-madbirs/ and http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-monstergirls/
51 - You're so angry. You may want to take a Midol at minimum. Maybe take yourself offline for a day and relearn what it's like to be a human being. You've reached a sad emotional state when you start judging smack blog post comments - it gets a 4.4 for articulation, a 4.9 for ignorance, and 5.7 for blowhardyness.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness.
Fonts make no difference to me unless I can't read them because they are so messed up. I use one over and over again when I find one I like. It's my page, so I don't feel the least bit of intimidation when I do either. Not only that, I don't really care who likes it or doesn't like it. .
#48 - Well, I didn't really look at the whole SSD gallery, just a couple of pages and that one jumped out at me because of the large photo and great composition, and I think pink and blue DO go together, so the colors didn't bother me. I admit, I didn't pay attention to the lack of shadow on the title, and that does look goofy to me when I look closely at it now. I went through a few more pages and thought this was a really nice page with great photos, journaling, composition, colors and shadows. This is the kind of page that would encourage me to check out the kit.
51 - You're so angry. You may want to take a Midol at minimum. Maybe take yourself offline for a day and relearn what it's like to be a human being. You've reached a sad emotional state when you start judging smack blog post comments - it gets a 4.4 for articulation, a 4.9 for ignorance, and 5.7 for blowhardyness.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness. ---- I'm not the person you were responding to but you just proved everything the op said about you, plus some. Maybe quitting while you're behind would be a good idea? You don't appear to express yourself well and you're just not that clever.
Sometimes the only way one person can feel elevated is by putting others down. _____ Wow! HEAVY!! Sometimes someone gets put down because he/she is a jerk and they deserve it.
It's my page, so I don't feel the least bit of intimidation when I do either. __ Wow. Is there a "font intimidation person" running around that we should all know about? Good for you, sticking to your guns!
54 - me too. If someone could share their experience with designers in mid-tier stores that'd be great. I buy occasionally from Ginger Scraps. I like Aprilisa and Pixelily. I would like to buy at OScraps but dunno who's good. Same with Scrap Takeout, One Story Down, With Love Studio, Gotta Pixel, and Pickle Berry Pop.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness. --------------------- Now this is a mature, well-thought out response. What are you? 10?
65-I've found some of Jen Yurko (Scrap take out) kits are cute, but I know she's been trashed here before, so expect the trash Jen Yurko mob to come out. I also like some of jusme digital larger kits, and Sus Designs are sometimes nice. I haven't tried any of the other current designers there. As for Ginger scraps, besides the two you mentioned, I always love Connie Prince. I don't know about many of the others. With Love Studio, I don't find anything there that I love at all. Pickleberry Berry Pop is one of those stores I steer away from for personal reasons. There are some decent designers at Gotta Pixel.
#65 - I don't know about the other stores, but there are quite a few designers I like at OScraps - Tracy Martin, Boutique Cute Doll, Anna Aspnes if you're into that type of page, Paula Kesselring, Maya de Groot, Studio 68 and Val C. I haven't tried the others, but some of them look interesting, like Crafty Button.
65- Adding on to 67 and 68, here are some designers that I like in those stores:
Scrap Takeout: La Belle Vie, Hat of Bunny MScraps: Bobita Designs, Jimbo Jambo, Meta Wulandari, Scrapyrus Ginger Scraps: Ponytails Plain Digital Wrapper: Southern Creek Designs
I like some of the kits by Scrapyrus. She's posted a few nice freebies if you'd like to try out her kits. I'd describe them as vintage-y in pretty colors.
I just saw the Just Jaimee CT call, and her CT requirements asked that you not skip more than two releases in a row. That seems like a nice balance between making your team work and letting them rest too.
77-Most of the designers I've worked with say to make a layout with the kits you download, not that you have to work with every kit. Some have a minimum number of pages per month. I think most designers are pretty flexible.
Back to 77: Just Jaimee CT call. How would you answer the question, Why would you like to join my CT? Not in general to her but to anyone. What is that they really want to read in response. I've always been curious about that.
# 65 OScraps-Anna Aspnes Designs-Maya de Groot- One Story Down -Altered Amanda's Studio With Love Studio - never shopped there Gotta Pixel- Aprilisa Designs-LDrag Designs-Lindsay Jane Pickle Berry Pop-AnnaBV Designs-Fayette Designs-LorieM Designs-Seatrout Scraps
I did a quick search at SSD and found about 10 kits using it, and I know there were more of them before GGG because that had been bugging me, too. They all also seem very similar to a fox vector that Miss Tiina sells. A little variation, please? Placing them at the same place on a preview and releasing them the same week only makes it seem like there's literally no creativity there-- even not being the same, it's close enough and makes me not want to buy either kit... what else have they been doing the exact same as every other SSD kit?!
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team?
She didn't say she WANTED you to like her personality, but wants to know if someone applies BECAUSE of that. It would probably be one thing to have someone apply because they like the store, the style, versus applying only to kiss ass!
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team? -- Seems like a lot of work for free scrapbook kits. I'll stick to buying them. Can't now and never have seen what motivates people to be on a ct. IMO, it would totally take the fun out of scrapping and it's my hobby that I do to enjoy myself. To each his own though..just my opinion.
Personality? So you want people to kiss your ass to get a spot on your team, 90? Nice. __ Ah, but you're "nicer." You took a GIANT leap on that one just to be a bitch! GO YOU! In no way, did the op say anything that could be construed as a desire for applicants to "kiss her ass" as you so eloquently put it.
what else have they been doing the exact same as every other SSD kit?! -- there are flowers, those silver or bronzy looking charms and various animals like the aforementioned fox
Hopefully, word will get to them and they'll quit sharing/duplicating these items in their kits. It doesn't make for a happy customer to pay for the same stuff over and over.
Why I choose to be on a CT: I like the designs, and can't afford to buy as much as I would use. The designs challenge me to do something new. The designer seems nice/easy to work with.
Dead Here! Maybe talk about the Black Friday Store Sales? I don't get as many newsletters as I used to get, and I don't have a lot of time to read fb this time of year.
Way off the current topic, but jesus, could Jenn B get any more cleavage in her latest avi at SSD? -- I've seen worse, at SSD! I do agree though. I think it looks kinda stupid and not at all attractive.
Why I choose to be on a CT: I like the designs, and can't afford to buy as much as I would use. The designs challenge me to do something new. The designer seems nice/easy to work with. -- That's cool. Just seems like designers ask an awful lot at times for what is given in return. Guess no designer is that great to me. Also, seems like some of the designers have really, really huge egos and I'm just not into feeding that kinda thing.
I must be lucky. The designers I choose to work for have (mostly) been wonderful. I resigned from one team because of difficulties, and from one shop team because that turned out to not suit me, but otherwise I truly enjoy my work, and feel well-compensated.
The pages I make are for me, even those I make for a CT. There are exceptions, but few.
Hopefully, word will get to them and they'll quit sharing/duplicating these items in their kits. It doesn't make for a happy customer to pay for the same stuff over and over. ---
Since they've been doing this for years, I'm betting that they don't care.
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team? -- Seems like a lot of work for free scrapbook kits. --------
Just seems like designers ask an awful lot at times for what is given in return. Guess no designer is that great to me. Also, seems like some of the designers have really, really huge egos and I'm just not into feeding that kinda thing. --------
Nope. Not a one that I have CTed for has asked for a lot of work, unless you count making layouts, which you would be doing anyway, and not a one had a giant ego.
I think the arrogant/giant ego designers just stick out in a person's mind more - the most obnoxious ones are memorable. I've never been on a team for a designer who had outlandish requirements, they've always just been layouts. Store CTs always had more work, but that makes sense to me if I have access to an entire store. At times it really can feel like work, though. There are only a couple of designers whose products I could see myself working with for a long time, week after week.
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team? --- I am the OP of this and it kind of baffles me that someone interpreted it as me wanting my ass kissed and someone else called it 'too much work.'
If you don't like my personality I would expect that you actually would not want to work on my team. I wouldn't want you to lie and say you liked me if you don't.
If applying for a call by saying why you like the team is too much work, then CTing is definitely not for you.
If applying for a call by saying why you like the team is too much work, then CTing is definitely not for you. __ No, it's definitely not for me. I cannot think of one designer who I would love to scrap for week after week, not to mention the other requirements so many expect.
Anna Aspnes Designs -- I have yet to see anything this lady does that I can use in my scrapping. ---------------
Not the OP, but I love working with Anna's stuff.
__ I was the OP, and, you know, I've heard several folks rave about her work. I have a kit of hers I got from Scrap Stacks or somewhere. I'm going to take a second look at it. I used to hate Studio Basic at SSD until someone here said that though really different, Rubia's designs were fun to work with. I tried it again and now I really like most of her things..well, at least half!
I think the arrogant/giant ego designers just stick out in a person's mind more
__ There really doesn't seem to be that many who behave like that, are there? Of course, I know none of them personally but any designer I have ever dealt with has been great.
No, it's definitely not for me. I cannot think of one designer who I would love to scrap for week after week, not to mention the other requirements so many expect. --- Not all designers have the kind of requirements people talk about here.
I'm a ctm for a few designers. Before I apply to a team I make sure I know the designer by reputation, have worked with some of the product, and know people on the current ct. I check out the requirements and see how those will fit into my life. If I think I can handle the requirements, like the designer and the products, then I apply.
I remember when the Farmer's Market had full kits for $1. Not it's all separates. Putting them together, I'm paying $4 to $6 for a kit. No thanks. --- There's elements for a buck and paper for the same, full size kits. As someone else said, there's also full kits for a dollar. There are some like you say but not ALL. That's simply not true. I hate when people exaggerate to prove a point, especially when it's so easy to prove them wrong. In my neck of the woods, this is called LYING.
Not all designers have the kind of requirements people talk about here. -- I'm not referring to what people say here. I am referring to what designers say in their ads for ct members. It's the designers who make a HUGE deal out of it and people play along (aka: kiss their asses) so they can be considered for a "coveted" spot. Given some of their requirements, I wonder how in the hell they pick their team members. Traci Reed (who I don't know personally and whose designs I sometimes like) wrote a How to Get on a Dream Team (I'm paraphrasing) and listed all these things needed to do to get on a great designer's team. Then she has Trish as a member of hers. Trish, whose photos generally are awful, whose scrapping can usually be compared to dumping a bunch of elements haphazardly on papers, none of which match the said awful photos and/or their theme.
There's elements for a buck and paper for the same, full size kits. As someone else said, there's also full kits for a dollar. There are some like you say but not ALL. That's simply not true. I hate when people exaggerate to prove a point, especially when it's so easy to prove them wrong. In my neck of the woods, this is called LYING. __________ ^^This^^
Oh wow, are the SO people out in force trying to hype this. I've been over, still didn't buy anything. __ You have no idea who is posting what. You must be the exaggerator/liar from the previous post. Hopefully, the designers at SO will still be able to have Christmas even though you didn't buy anything.
Oh wow, are the SO people out in force trying to hype this. I've been over, still didn't buy anything. __ I'm not an SO person (whatever that means) but I'll spread the hype just for you! I just spent under fifteen dollars and got a boat load of templates and three full kits. CHECK IT OUT!!!
I generally only buy from SO during their Farmer's Market- and I HATE their gallery. Nonetheless, I have over 40 dollars worth sitting in my cart right now- and I'm trying to figure out what NOT to buy besides templates and CU as I don't use either. And before anyone says I am trolling for SO- not so. I don't CT for the site or anyone there. In fact I rarely if ever post in the gallery. However, this particular Farmer's Market- IMO- is the best I've seen in years- and I've been around for quite some time.
Speaking of Farmer's Market, does it seem to anyone else that SO is getting pretty desperate and really needs lots of sales from this Farmer's Market? I started getting newsletters from their designers on Tuesday this year. The Market is open until the following Monday. That's 6 days. I remember in the old days when it opened for Black Friday and ran through the weekend. Now it's 6 days long? Seems desperate to me. Also, they have put so many items into the market it seems like the entire shop is on sale. I clicked on the CU section and there are 96 pages of items. Each page has 24 items. That's over 2000 products on sale for $1. DESPERATION. It's the worst cologne.
it could be maximizing a promotion that worked well. ___ This is my guess. They got their act together and provided a wonderful sale. It might be desperation to you. To me, it's good business. Of course, I would guess they need lots of sales; what business doesn't to thrive? If they only ran the sale for the weekend, people would bitch. They extend it longer, you (who I assume didn't buy anything anyway) complain. Oh, well.
Who cares, you're getting great deals. And whoever said there were not alot of full kits, you must not be looking. I picked up 3 full kits from Createwings, just finished unzipping and they are gorgeous. I can't believe I've never purchased from her before. Also picked up alot of the templates and a few CU pieces just cause I like them. I don't usually shop at SO alot, but this time I spent over $30. Best FM in years for sure!
139-I can see where you made your mistake in thinking there were that many products for CU. In reality, there are only 5 pages included in the farmer's market. The bottom of the page does show that it goes up to 96 pages, but that is probably how their database is probably set up. Only 5 pages are filled. If you click on page 76 it will show you page 5.
146, 145 isn't saying there are 2000 products. She is just correcting 143 that the number 96 is not the number of pages, but how many to be shown on one page.
139. Clearly FM is a good deal for SO and their designers or they wouldn't do it over and over through out the years. Since when is making even more money desperate?
I have had problems with the SO site, paying via pay pal. . Have tried several times over the past 2 days and it gives me "We are sorry, we are experiencing temporary difficulties" has anyone else had the same issue?? getting frustrated now.
Jenn Barrette commented on Sally Bouley's FB comment about shopping Black Friday: Fuck'm that is ridiculous that they have nothing better to do that judge you. Thanksgiving isn't really a huge deal IMO, it is a fucking turkey dinner. lol
Thanksgiving is not a big deal? WTF? I hope I'm on the only customer she loses with that stupid comment.
159 - I don't see it as stupid. Many people don't get all hyper sensitive about holidays. You're free to observe as you choose and so are others. If it's not a big deal to them, what difference does that make to you?
Thanksgiving is just a day to give thanks. Maybe some of us don't need one specific day to do that as we do it every day.
I don't see it as stupid. Many people don't get all hyper sensitive about holidays. You're free to observe as you choose and so are others. If it's not a big deal to them, what difference does that make to you?
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I agree with your sentiment. In fact, #159, there are people who don't even celebrate Thanksgiving, so clearly it's not a big deal for some. Obviously it's a big deal for you but hoping she will lose customers is not in the spirit of Thanksgiving.
The people working on Thanksgiving thing is being beaten to death this year. The date on the calendar doesn't really matter when it comes to family time, being thankful or a "fucking turkey dinner". *shrugs* Work Thursday? have a get together on Friday or Sat...or Sun, BAM problem solved.
You are entitled to your opinion, 167... but for some families, Thanksgiving is a big deal and if a family member works for one of these companies that keeps starting Black Friday hours earlier and earlier every year, it does cut into their holiday in a negative way. They should be just as free to voice their displeasure about that, as those who don't think it's a big deal.
If Sally thinks there's nothing wrong with shopping on Thanksgiving, I don't know why she'd allow herself to feel "judged" for it. Just do what you want and ignore people who don't feel the same way. It's a big world, lots of different opinions out there. It's more fun to seek attention on Facebook though, I guess.
I do have to say that I wonder how Jenn Barrette would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and some American designer spoke of a Canadian holiday with disdain. I think that was the original poster's point. I don't wish for her to lose business, but Jenn should know that inflammatory comments made in public view could influence customer attitudes towards her and her business. Not sure she'd care anyway, but maybe she should.
do have to say that I wonder how Jenn Barrette would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and some American designer spoke of a Canadian holiday with disdain. I think that was the original poster's point. ---------
No, I don't think this was the original poster's point. You are turning this into something that it isn't. It's not about it being an American holiday or not, especially in light of Canada also having Thanksgiving. It's just about Thanksgiving and Jenn not really caring that much about it.
No, she wasn't talking about Thanksgiving in general because the topic related to American Thanksgiving and the impact of Black Friday shopping. She was talking about something that has nothing to do with her, as a Canadian.
For many people in the US, Thanksgiving is still a religious or spiritual observance, not just a national holiday or a "fucking turkey dinner." Her comment will definitely come off poorly with those people (among others).
I think the point Jenn Barrette was trying to make just happened to be about Thanksgiving shopping, but was actually about doing what you want and not worrying about what other people say about it, ss long as you don't hurt others, or yourself. I totally agree with her!
I, as a designer and respectable human being, would never, ever use bad language on my personal facebook page. I do, however, have been known for being a bit of a potty mouth IRL with only those closest to me.On the web and social media - there are some rules of etiquette I think people should follow - you would be surprised by how behaving in questionable ways can impair one's reputation.
170- I agree with you that her comment will come off poorly for some customers. If not in the sentiment, then in the tone and wording/ foul language. Many customers expect business people to express themselves more professionally in a public setting. I was taken aback by the wording, and like it or not, it may affect my future purchases. There are so many good designers out there with styles similar to hers that if I am choosing between her and another designer for a comparable product, I may purchase from the other designer.
The Confectionary Club at SHC is such an epic fail. I know I heard how way back it was messed up but when Just Jaimee and Mommyish joined I decided to subscribe. It went fine for awhile but it states: " You can expect to see at least 1 new and exclusive product by each designer, each month." There hasn't been anything by Mommyish since May and now Jaimee left SHC so there hasn't been anything from her since Sept. I subscribed because of them, not Miss Tiina. She's thrown a bunch of stuff in there the last few months trying to make up for it I supposed but it's disappointing. She needs to replace them with other designers if they aren't going to keep up their end.
There isn't a comment out there that uptight, self righteous, religious extremists wouldn't find offensive.
Service industries have been working on Thanksgiving for a long time. Movie theatres have been open on Thanksgiving for as long as I can remember and for some families, it's a tradition to go to the movies as a family on Thanksgiving. I never heard anyone bitch and campaign about them working on Thanksgiving.
For many families, Black Friday is also a tradition and opportunity to spend time together having fun shopping.
For some, it's about sitting at home in front of marshmallow topped sweet potatoes and a fucking turkey.
WHO THE FUCK CARES.
Do what you want and let others do what they want. Stop putting God and the Bible in front of your opinions because they're not bullet shields. I find that the most disrespectful thing any single person can do.
176- I am 174. For me, it has nothing to do with religion, self-righteousness, or uptightness. I am a professional, and I expect people who are professionals (and she is at a store that presents itself as polished and professional) to put on the professional facade when they are "in public." How people "behave" does affect my willingness to support them.
I think Thanksgiving is a bigger deal in the US than in Canada, I think there it really is just a turkey dinner.
But I also agree with #176. I hope everyone who finds shopping on Thanksgiving utterly appalling didn't run to the grocery store for butter that they forgot, watch the football game on TV, or get gas on the way home from dinner.
177- I see your point... to a point. Professionals are still people. If it was done on her business page, that's one thing. This was done on a personal page with her personal account. I'm pretty sure even as professional as you claim to be, you've sworn with your friends or done something with your friends that's less than professional.
I'm 176 and I cited my examples because they're industries where people often have traditions as family which seems to be the main bitch - Thanksgiving is a time for family. But yes, I agree with 178. I also hope they didn't use their phones or the internet or their electricity or water or anything else that requires other people to work on Thanksgiving.
No, she wasn't talking about Thanksgiving in general because the topic related to American Thanksgiving and the impact of Black Friday shopping. She was talking about something that has nothing to do with her, as a Canadian.
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OMFG! Are you serious? I find it incredible that you manged to turn her comment into being not only anti American but now also possibly anti religious. Her comment was neither and trying to make it so just makes you look like a trouble maker.
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Which is an excellent point. Why is no one roasting the person who shared that particular post? Sharing private stuff about someone else is about as low as it gets.
#183, kindly un-wad your panties. I never once accused her of being anti-American or anti-religious. I said that people who still have spiritual or religious value in Thanksgiving will be offended at her comments that Thanksgiving is not important. For them, it is a very important holiday. As far as being anti-American, I didn't say that either. My point was that she has no business having such a "loud" opinion about something that doesn't affect her, as a Canadian.
You sort of need to get a grip. Turn a hose on yourself or something.
Nothing posted on the internet is "private." Private would have been a phone conversation, or an email or private message exchange between Sally and Jenn. If it's on someone's personal Facebook wall, it's personal, but not private. There's a difference.
#186 - You are a twat. You kept bringing it up that it was an American holiday and she was Canadian. Neither of those points were at all relevant so you were clearly implying anti-American sentiment. Keep digging that hole.
Name-calling is always an effective way to win an argument and a clear indication of one's maturity level. Obviously, I'm wasting my time trying to reason with you, so you go right on thinking what you want. Wonder why this has struck such a nerve with you, though. Is it possible that you're so offended because you are who you think I you are and I called you on your bullshit? Probably so.
SSD switching to "play-to-win" challenges at the first of the year. One more way for them to show favoritism as to the "winners" instead of an even system like the portfolio challenges.
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 988 of 988 Newer› Newest»Hey Traci Reed, stop being a whiny bitch about doing your job. You choose to make a 'process video' since you decided you needed to be all over the paper scrap work, don't whine about the work it takes.
I think both the store and the designer CT should provide me with inspiration and try to sell me the product. From my perspective as a shopper, I think it discourages me from shopping when too many products are used. I like for the store CT and the designer CT layouts to stick with just one to three kits, otherwise it is too difficult to figure out what goes with what.
I like the stuff in this, but probably won't purchase because there are too many separate products, and I like the way they work together and won't purchase that many products to make the layout work. Great layout though.
http://www.the-lilypad.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=115242&title=ho-ho-ho&cat=514
she can voice her opinion about others, but doesn't offer up her los to be judged as vomit or not. pathetic
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How do you know she didn't link to some of her own stuff? How do you know it's not posted in galleries free for anyone to judge?
I think one of the ones she didnt like must have been yours.
I have been thinking about the store CT discussion, re: their purpose is to inspire. I agree, but I don't know that inspiration translates into purchases especially when there is so much mix and match. I love to look at it, but it doesn't encourage me to shop as much as it encourages me to scrap. I have so much product that I am more likely to be encouraged to use my stash to duplicate the look. Just a thought.
Where's Lauren Reid now? She was at SBG just a few weeks ago.
You have to take these layouts for what they are and consider the source.
A simple scrapper is never going to be inspired by a busy layout. There is a huge, huge market for busier layouts and their products especially when you consider who some of the top template makers are (such as Cindy Schneider, Little Green Frog, Fiddle Dee Dee).
A busier scrapper is less likely to be inspired by a simple layout and isn't likely to click on it.
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page. That scrapper lacks the skills and or the desire to learn the skills necessary to create such a layout. It doesn't make one superior over the other, it just means one is not their cup of tea.
There are stores, designers, and products out there for everyone. A CT layout isn't going to sell a kit that's preview is nasty or that's colors are unappealing. It also can't sell a kit a customer loves if they don't have the extra money to spend. It also can't sell a $8 kit that looks similar enough to a $3 of equal quality and probably using the same CU.
ITA with what has been said about having just store CTs. They exist to get people scrapping and hopefully, eventually, shopping. Stores and designers have morphed CTs into marketers and that is helping sink this industry.
Over marketing has also hurt this industry. No one likes someone in their face and their inbox all the time. I was so annoyed over the constant bombardment from TLP over DSD weekend that I unsubscribed from their newsletter.
9, you thought TLP bombarded you over DSD? I think I got 2 emails from them. It's weird that I didn't get many if you got so many. Or maybe my idea of "a lot" is different than yours. One a day is OK with me during big weekends.
What I don't like is when *forums* send you lots of emails. Like, what the hell? I didn't sign up for your store newsletter, so why is the FORUM sending me email about sales in the store? I thought forum email would be like "Hey, the forums will be down for maintenance this weekend" or "You've got a new PM." DSF did that and I finally stopped receiving them (long after I unclicked "receive email from admin" in the forum).
A CT layout isn't going to sell a kit that's preview is nasty or that's colors are unappealing. It also can't sell a kit a customer loves if they don't have the extra money to spend. It also can't sell a $8 kit that looks similar enough to a $3 of equal quality and probably using the same CU.
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This is so true. I was a CTM, and some of the layouts I've made have made some really really really bad kits look pretty good or at least acceptable. Some of their previews are just awful. When you ct for a store, the ctm are often assigned designers to work with for a month. They were not kits I would have chosen to work with at all. I only ct for specific designers that I love now. I won't ct for a store that assigns designers.
7- And then there is this, which definitely shows off a kit I would never buy: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=302219&title=christmas-2013&cat=516
I really, really don't get it.
I looked at this layout and thought...what? did her 2 year old make that LO? stuff is just thrown on the page and is just weird. I looked at the kit it was made with and it is a cute kit but the layout is just strange!
I've been thinking about this idea that personal designer CTs are somehow ruining the market. I, personally, don't think that people being on CTs makes the customer base smaller. From one perspective, I was recently asked by a designer to join her team. I liked the designer's products and had bought a FEW over the years, but I was definitely not a regular customer. So she didn't lose a customer by putting me on her team.
Here is another perspective: I'm on a couple of designer teams. I would have thought that getting on a team or two would mean I'd end up spending less money on supplies. Has that happened? No, I continue to spend what my budget allows. I just am able to spend it on different designers. So my hunch is that having people on CTs isn't keeping money from being spent. It just redistributes it, and it probably all averages out.
The other argument against CTs seems to be this: Designers are putting the burden of marketing on CTMs instead of investing their own resources into marketing. They're taking the easy way out. How would changing this practice help the market? What I am hearing is that if designers HAD to do all the marketing work themselves, you would see a drop in the number of hobbyist designers so that the more dedicated, full-time designers could get a bigger piece of the pie and actually make a living on this. Am I correct in this understanding of the argument?
I liked all the layouts that have been posted. I think you all are crazy.
I liked all the layouts that have been posted. I think you all are crazy.
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and I think you're crazy if you like all those layouts
13- I agree with your remark about being on cts but still spending money. I'm on two teams I love, but still manage to spend the same amount of money I did before I started cting. My husband doesn't understand why I'm spending any money! If he knew how much I spent weekly when I was paper scrapping, though, he'd be more than happy that I'm only spending what I am now.
12-I think the girls that left love on that layout must be getting paid.
Over marketing has also hurt this industry. No one likes someone in their face and their inbox all the time. I was so annoyed over the constant bombardment from TLP over DSD weekend that I unsubscribed from their newsletter.
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I disagree with this. I have no problem getting email from the stores and designers I love.
I looked at this layout and thought...what? did her 2 year old make that LO? stuff is just thrown on the page and is just weird. I looked at the kit it was made with and it is a cute kit but the layout is just strange!
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This woman can't scrap worth a damn! She may take the worst babe scrapper title away from Trish!
There's a difference between liking something and recognizing the skill that goes into it, and wanting to recreate it for yourself. The shadows and depth and intricacy of the Christmas 2013 are really special. The way the star laps over the kewpie doll. The way the bow overlaps the house. I think this would be a wonderful title page for a Daily December, it's like you've unpacked all the Christmas Decorations but haven't put them up yet. I really kind of love it, the more that I look at it. Would I recreate it? Probably not. I'm not sure I'm able to be that random. But I do like it.
I actually love the babe's layouts. Her style might not be everyone's cup of tea because her style is different than normal scrapping. She focuses more on realism - her shadows, lighting... if you look at her other layouts, you'll see why she's in a different league altogether.
you'll see why she's in a different league altogether.
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Yeah, right.
Her style might not be everyone's cup of tea because her style is different than normal scrapping. She focuses more on realism - her shadows, lighting..
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Whatever. However, if something isn't pleasing to the eye, it's not good, imo. We're not talking some cerebral art appreciation interpretation here. We're talking digital scrapbooking for memory keeping and if a page looks like crap, it certainly doesn't help sell me on the kit that was used to help make it look that way.
The shadows and depth and intricacy of the Christmas 2013 are really special.
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Not true, imo. The shadows are not done well at all.
it's like you've unpacked all the Christmas Decorations but haven't put them up yet.
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my unpacked Christmas decorations have NEVER look that ugly
Now I looked at her other layouts and some of them are cute...but that one that was listed was downright unorganized and very strange. I don't know. Here is one that I liked of hers. There is a tree made from paper strips. I like this layout. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303224&title=c-is-for-christmas&cat=516
#25 - That paper tree is very cute, but I think her shadows are awful, not realistic at all and very heavy and dark.
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows:
http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516
we've been talking about LOs showing off a kit, but that white crumpled bg ppr on that lo post 12 linked us to is horrible. The upper edge is blurry. That could be the poster's inability to resize for web, but nothing else looks like that. And the whitest whites are just blown out. No real paper blinds you like that. In case you want the link, here it is again:
http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=302219&title=christmas-2013&cat=516
Speaking of dark shadows, I see a lot of really dark shadows lately. I think it is because people are using the shadow styles with linear burn. A linear burn shadow over dark papers (like with autumn kits or wood papers) makes for very dark shadows. I find myself switching back to multiply in these cases, but I think a lot of people just use the styles and don't bother to make adjustments.
very cute, 27. Very "center-y" though. I like the photo treatment.
Speaking of CT members....... how many websites or galleries are you required to upload your CT layouts to?? Are you required to have your own blog/website & facebook too?
With many stores having restrictions on the layouts you can upload to their store gallery (ie. must use products from their store's designers in the layouts), what other online galleries can you upload your CT layouts to? DST used to be popular before but seems slow now.
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I don't like the Christmas 2013 layout, but the one 25 linked to looks nice. I think the shadows are done well. The LO looks like it's a paper LO taken with a camera-- very realistic. Wish I could shadow like that.
For my money its not the CT layouts that sell me the kit, its the preview.
And there are definitely a lot of designers that get a BIG FAIL for this.
IMO this preview is way too cluttered & I cant see the papers. Llooks like vomit. When you see this in small profiles I would skip it, nothing makes you want to take a closer look. http://shop.scrapmatters.com/images/cache/0e956e9da5ada8c57b49eda18679935d.jp
Where as this one in small previews would make me look at it, as I can see elements & papers clearly
http://the-lilypad.com/store/images/P/onelittlebird-evergreen-preview.jpg
#13 "What I am hearing is that if designers HAD to do all the marketing work themselves, you would see a drop in the number of hobbyist designers so that the more dedicated, full-time designers could get a bigger piece of the pie and actually make a living on this. Am I correct in this understanding of the argument?"
Nailed it. Im not a designer so I don't have a dog in this race. I don't think
designers should have to do all their own marketing, I would rather they
concentrated on delivering quality product. I think some designers go overboard with the number of CTs. Five would be optimum, you could split the duties across the five and get diversity. Anything above that I see as more about pumping their own ego.
Nailed it. Im not a designer so I don't have a dog in this race. I don't think
designers should have to do all their own marketing, I would rather they
concentrated on delivering quality product. I think some designers go overboard with the number of CTs. Five would be optimum, you could split the duties across the five and get diversity. Anything above that I see as more about pumping their own ego.
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Actually, you're wrong. For a really productive designer, more than five ctm's ensures no one is overworked or has to feel guilty if they can't scrap on a certain day. The number of ctm's is usually added to when the others feel overworked. To say it's because the designer has a big ego is quite the assumption.
To say it's because the designer has a big ego is quite the assumption.
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Maybe so, but really, how many layouts do you need for a single kit? I have seen easily up to 12 layouts for one kit. Isn't that a bit of an overkill?
I've seen even more than 12 ... like 20. I think anything over 10 is overkill.
If a designer takes on more CTMs to lessen the burden, then why is the requirement still 4 layouts a month for most designers? Couldn't they drop it to 2 layouts per month if they have a big team?
Maybe so, but really, how many layouts do you need for a single kit? I have seen easily up to 12 layouts for one kit. Isn't that a bit of an overkill?
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You have a point. I have seen way too many layouts for a single kit, come to think of it.
If a designer takes on more CTMs to lessen the burden, then why is the requirement still 4 layouts a month for most designers? Couldn't they drop it to 2 layouts per month if they have a big team?
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See, I just assumed they did! That's what I get for talking about something which I have no firsthand knowledge.
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows:
http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516
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This lady is one of my fave scrappers at SSD. I think she's really talented.
I have never seen too many layouts for a kit - they all show various papers and elements and styles, and those all help me decide if I want the kit. I think it's much worse when there aren't enough examples.
#29 - Linear blend usually gives the best color to the shadow, but you have to have it at 45-55%, otherwise it looks way too dark. Also, you need to pick a color other than black for your shadow and be sure to feather it enough, otherwise you get those really hard-edge dark shadows that don't look good, at least IMO they don't look good.
#39 - Yes she is super talented, I don't think I've ever seen a page of hers I DIDn't love.
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page. That scrapper lacks the skills and or the desire to learn the skills necessary to create such a layout. It doesn't make one superior over the other, it just means one is not their cup of tea.
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Nice try. You can't say one style is done by newbies and those less refined and then say you don't think one is superior to the other.
Here is a page I really like - huge photo, perfect decorations and great shadows:
http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=303355&title=sa&cat=516
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This is a lovely layout but the title shadowing is all wrong. The only way it would have no shadow was if it was written, in which case it wouldn't be on top of the shadowed snowman the way it is. My eye goes there and it agitates me so it ruins the whole layout.
This is a lovely layout but the title shadowing is all wrong. The only way it would have no shadow was if it was written, in which case it wouldn't be on top of the shadowed snowman the way it is. My eye goes there and it agitates me so it ruins the whole layout.
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HA! You're absolutely right. I didn't catch that and NOW it's irritating me when I look at it. That's something that I would completely redo of my own if I hadn't saved the layers. It would bug me that much!
A beginner or less refined scrapper isn't likely to be inspired by a highly skilled layout or an artistic page.
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A less refined scrapper? I'd LOVE to see your work since you obviously view yourself as refined, skilled and artistic.
Whatever. However, if something isn't pleasing to the eye, it's not good, imo. We're not talking some cerebral art appreciation interpretation here. We're talking digital scrapbooking for memory keeping and if a page looks like crap, it certainly doesn't help sell me on the kit that was used to help make it look that way.
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^^Best Post of the Day!^^
Really? Out of the whole SSD gallery you choose the snow adorable LO as one of your faves? The kit colors have nothing to do with the photo! Blue, green, yellow, brown - the kid is in a PINK sled with a PURPLISH jacket! The chipboard snowflakes, well the shadows are just wrong. Plus it would have been so cute to have the kid looking at the snowman, but I suppose the template said she had to put something there, so she did. All-in-all, I would call that a beginner's LO or a huge FAIL if that person is a babe. It doesn't inspire me to buy the kit, it doesn't inspire me to scrap, nada. There must be a lot of SSD people here who have drunk the koolaid. Affects their eyesight.
46 - I'm too busy looking at your pixelated layouts with your shit photos and your overuse of papyrus font. Since that is what less refined refers to and those pages actually exist in galleries all over digi. You were clearly offended and that's sad. It has nothing to do with how I scrap or if I even scrap at all.
OK so it's either pixelated layouts and papyrus OR layouts you personally like. I see.
46 - I'm too busy looking at your pixelated layouts with your shit photos and your overuse of papyrus font. Since that is what less refined refers to and those pages actually exist in galleries all over digi. You were clearly offended and that's sad. It has nothing to do with how I scrap or if I even scrap at all.
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You're right. It has nothing to do with how or if you scrap. It has everything to do with you being an ignorant blowhard who has absolutely no idea how to articulate what you mean. If you do scrap, I hope it's done better than your posting.
Really? Out of the whole SSD gallery you choose the snow adorable LO as one of your faves? The kit colors have nothing to do with the photo! Blue, green, yellow, brown - the kid is in a PINK sled with a PURPLISH jacket! The chipboard snowflakes, well the shadows are just wrong. Plus it would have been so cute to have the kid looking at the snowman, but I suppose the template said she had to put something there, so she did.
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Actually, you have a few good points here. While I initially liked the page, the title bugs me now and I don't like the color combos. That KCB kit is not one of my faves anyway. You're right about the kid looking at the snowman..it would have been very cute!
I know it is wrong, but I still like Papyrus. Fortunately I never post it in public, LOL.
So- I hear tons about certain designers and stores here. Curious as to opinions about little known designers- or stores for that matter. I know taste differs but would sincerely like to hear YOUR picks as to favorite designers NOT at TLP, SO, SSD, P & Co. or SBG. I'm itching to go shopping. :)
Does Mscraps not care about copyright violations? http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-blendedfamily/ and http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-madbirs/ and http://www.mscraps.com/shop/mirellecandeloro-monstergirls/
oh whew! you're not looking at my layouts. I overuse the Pristina font!
51 - You're so angry. You may want to take a Midol at minimum. Maybe take yourself offline for a day and relearn what it's like to be a human being. You've reached a sad emotional state when you start judging smack blog post comments - it gets a 4.4 for articulation, a 4.9 for ignorance, and 5.7 for blowhardyness.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness.
Sometimes the only way one person can feel elevated is by putting others down.
Fonts make no difference to me unless I can't read them because they are so messed up. I use one over and over again when I find one I like. It's my page, so I don't feel the least bit of intimidation when I do either. Not only that, I don't really care who likes it or doesn't like it. .
#48 - Well, I didn't really look at the whole SSD gallery, just a couple of pages and that one jumped out at me because of the large photo and great composition, and I think pink and blue DO go together, so the colors didn't bother me. I admit, I didn't pay attention to the lack of shadow on the title, and that does look goofy to me when I look closely at it now. I went through a few more pages and thought this was a really nice page with great photos, journaling, composition, colors and shadows. This is the kind of page that would encourage me to check out the kit.
http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=302228&title=fall-2013&cat=516
51 - You're so angry. You may want to take a Midol at minimum. Maybe take yourself offline for a day and relearn what it's like to be a human being. You've reached a sad emotional state when you start judging smack blog post comments - it gets a 4.4 for articulation, a 4.9 for ignorance, and 5.7 for blowhardyness.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness.
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I'm not the person you were responding to but you just proved everything the op said about you, plus some. Maybe quitting while you're behind would be a good idea? You don't appear to express yourself well and you're just not that clever.
Sometimes the only way one person can feel elevated is by putting others down.
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Wow! HEAVY!! Sometimes someone gets put down because he/she is a jerk and they deserve it.
It's my page, so I don't feel the least bit of intimidation when I do either.
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Wow. Is there a "font intimidation person" running around that we should all know about? Good for you, sticking to your guns!
#60, I agree with you again. That is I agree with you until someone comes and points out all the errors on the page and they start bugging me!
54 - me too. If someone could share their experience with designers in mid-tier stores that'd be great. I buy occasionally from Ginger Scraps. I like Aprilisa and Pixelily. I would like to buy at OScraps but dunno who's good. Same with Scrap Takeout, One Story Down, With Love Studio, Gotta Pixel, and Pickle Berry Pop.
While you're at it, go look up what unrefined means. When you see your photo there, give it a 6.7 for fugliness.
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Now this is a mature, well-thought out response. What are you? 10?
65-I've found some of Jen Yurko (Scrap take out) kits are cute, but I know she's been trashed here before, so expect the trash Jen Yurko mob to come out. I also like some of jusme digital larger kits, and Sus Designs are sometimes nice. I haven't tried any of the other current designers there. As for Ginger scraps, besides the two you mentioned, I always love Connie Prince. I don't know about many of the others. With Love Studio, I don't find anything there that I love at all. Pickleberry Berry Pop is one of those stores I steer away from for personal reasons. There are some decent designers at Gotta Pixel.
#64, lol.
#65 - I don't know about the other stores, but there are quite a few designers I like at OScraps - Tracy Martin, Boutique Cute Doll, Anna Aspnes if you're into that type of page, Paula Kesselring, Maya de Groot, Studio 68 and Val C. I haven't tried the others, but some of them look interesting, like Crafty Button.
Ditto #68, plus Dido Designs if you're up for a challenge, something a little different.
62-I figured that post would get that a stupid comment like that. So predictable.
65- Adding on to 67 and 68, here are some designers that I like in those stores:
Scrap Takeout: La Belle Vie, Hat of Bunny
MScraps: Bobita Designs, Jimbo Jambo, Meta Wulandari, Scrapyrus
Ginger Scraps: Ponytails
Plain Digital Wrapper: Southern Creek Designs
I totally read that as Dildo Designs.
do any of you guys ever purchase digi papers or kits on etsy? I've seen some cute stuff there (I can't remember the name of the stores, sorry).
I like some of the kits by Scrapyrus. She's posted a few nice freebies if you'd like to try out her kits. I'd describe them as vintage-y in pretty colors.
Scrapyrus newest collection is really cute. probably my favorite from her, granted the theme isn't all that original but nice.
testing ... testing ...
I just saw the Just Jaimee CT call, and her CT requirements asked that you not skip more than two releases in a row. That seems like a nice balance between making your team work and letting them rest too.
77-Most of the designers I've worked with say to make a layout with the kits you download, not that you have to work with every kit. Some have a minimum number of pages per month. I think most designers are pretty flexible.
Wow. Not only are we using the same items, but we're putting them in the same place in the preview now? Nice originality, SSD!
http://www.sweetshoppedesigns.com/sweetshoppe/product.php?productid=26604&cat=631&page=2
http://www.sweetshoppedesigns.com/sweetshoppe/product.php?productid=26639&cat=631&page=2
Both foxes, but not the same.
Way too many designers are using some variation of that fox and have been for the last several weeks or so.
Both foxes, but not the same.
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Well, they're close enough that I don't want one of each.
Back to 77: Just Jaimee CT call. How would you answer the question, Why would you like to join my CT? Not in general to her but to anyone. What is that they really want to read in response.
I've always been curious about that.
Way too many designers are using some variation of that fox and have been for the last several weeks or so.
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Try the last few years.
# 65
OScraps-Anna Aspnes Designs-Maya de Groot-
One Story Down -Altered Amanda's Studio
With Love Studio - never shopped there
Gotta Pixel- Aprilisa Designs-LDrag Designs-Lindsay Jane
Pickle Berry Pop-AnnaBV Designs-Fayette Designs-LorieM Designs-Seatrout Scraps
I think this blog might officially be dead.
Oh no.83 Great question. I want to see if anyone responds
83-The designer may want to know if you like the designs, or if you feel you'd fit in with her style.
I did a quick search at SSD and found about 10 kits using it, and I know there were more of them before GGG because that had been bugging me, too. They all also seem very similar to a fox vector that Miss Tiina sells. A little variation, please? Placing them at the same place on a preview and releasing them the same week only makes it seem like there's literally no creativity there-- even not being the same, it's close enough and makes me not want to buy either kit... what else have they been doing the exact same as every other SSD kit?!
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team?
Personality? So you want people to kiss your ass to get a spot on your team, 90? Nice.
She didn't say she WANTED you to like her personality, but wants to know if someone applies BECAUSE of that. It would probably be one thing to have someone apply because they like the store, the style, versus applying only to kiss ass!
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team?
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Seems like a lot of work for free scrapbook kits. I'll stick to buying them. Can't now and never have seen what motivates people to be on a ct. IMO, it would totally take the fun out of scrapping and it's my hobby that I do to enjoy myself. To each his own though..just my opinion.
Personality? So you want people to kiss your ass to get a spot on your team, 90? Nice.
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Ah, but you're "nicer." You took a GIANT leap on that one just to be a bitch! GO YOU! In no way, did the op say anything that could be construed as a desire for applicants to "kiss her ass" as you so eloquently put it.
what else have they been doing the exact same as every other SSD kit?!
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there are flowers, those silver or bronzy looking charms and various animals like the aforementioned fox
Hopefully, word will get to them and they'll quit sharing/duplicating these items in their kits. It doesn't make for a happy customer to pay for the same stuff over and over.
Anna Aspnes Designs
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I have yet to see anything this lady does that I can use in my scrapping.
How come some of the Sugar Babes NEVER scrap?
Way off the current topic, but jesus, could Jenn B get any more cleavage in her latest avi at SSD?
Why I choose to be on a CT: I like the designs, and can't afford to buy as much as I would use. The designs challenge me to do something new. The designer seems nice/easy to work with.
Dead Here! Maybe talk about the Black Friday Store Sales? I don't get as many newsletters as I used to get, and I don't have a lot of time to read fb this time of year.
Way off the current topic, but jesus, could Jenn B get any more cleavage in her latest avi at SSD?
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I've seen worse, at SSD! I do agree though. I think it looks kinda stupid and not at all attractive.
Why I choose to be on a CT: I like the designs, and can't afford to buy as much as I would use. The designs challenge me to do something new. The designer seems nice/easy to work with.
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That's cool. Just seems like designers ask an awful lot at times for what is given in return. Guess no designer is that great to me. Also, seems like some of the designers have really, really huge egos and I'm just not into feeding that kinda thing.
I must be lucky. The designers I choose to work for have (mostly) been wonderful. I resigned from one team because of difficulties, and from one shop team because that turned out to not suit me, but otherwise I truly enjoy my work, and feel well-compensated.
The pages I make are for me, even those I make for a CT. There are exceptions, but few.
Hopefully, word will get to them and they'll quit sharing/duplicating these items in their kits. It doesn't make for a happy customer to pay for the same stuff over and over.
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Since they've been doing this for years, I'm betting that they don't care.
Anna Aspnes Designs
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I have yet to see anything this lady does that I can use in my scrapping.
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Not the OP, but I love working with Anna's stuff.
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team?
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Seems like a lot of work for free scrapbook kits.
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A lot of work? Okay then.
Just seems like designers ask an awful lot at times for what is given in return. Guess no designer is that great to me. Also, seems like some of the designers have really, really huge egos and I'm just not into feeding that kinda thing.
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Nope. Not a one that I have CTed for has asked for a lot of work, unless you count making layouts, which you would be doing anyway, and not a one had a giant ego.
I think the arrogant/giant ego designers just stick out in a person's mind more - the most obnoxious ones are memorable. I've never been on a team for a designer who had outlandish requirements, they've always just been layouts. Store CTs always had more work, but that makes sense to me if I have access to an entire store. At times it really can feel like work, though. There are only a couple of designers whose products I could see myself working with for a long time, week after week.
I'm a designer and I'd like to hear what, specifically, you liked about my designs or me. ie: do you like my style, do you like my personality, do you like my reputation, do you like the store I am at ... what makes you want to be on my team?
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I am the OP of this and it kind of baffles me that someone interpreted it as me wanting my ass kissed and someone else called it 'too much work.'
If you don't like my personality I would expect that you actually would not want to work on my team. I wouldn't want you to lie and say you liked me if you don't.
If applying for a call by saying why you like the team is too much work, then CTing is definitely not for you.
If applying for a call by saying why you like the team is too much work, then CTing is definitely not for you.
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No, it's definitely not for me. I cannot think of one designer who I would love to scrap for week after week, not to mention the other requirements so many expect.
At times it really can feel like work, though.
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No kidding. This is never to feel like a job for me, or even light work! It's my hobby.
Anna Aspnes Designs
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I have yet to see anything this lady does that I can use in my scrapping.
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Not the OP, but I love working with Anna's stuff.
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I was the OP, and, you know, I've heard several folks rave about her work. I have a kit of hers I got from Scrap Stacks or somewhere. I'm going to take a second look at it. I used to hate Studio Basic at SSD until someone here said that though really different, Rubia's designs were fun to work with. I tried it again and now I really like most of her things..well, at least half!
I think the arrogant/giant ego designers just stick out in a person's mind more
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There really doesn't seem to be that many who behave like that, are there? Of course, I know none of them personally but any designer I have ever dealt with has been great.
No, it's definitely not for me. I cannot think of one designer who I would love to scrap for week after week, not to mention the other requirements so many expect.
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Not all designers have the kind of requirements people talk about here.
Farmer's Market is open.
O.M.G.! SO hit it out of the park, LOVE LOVE LOVE that store! OMG!
SQUEEEEEE!!!! yay! Cha-ching!
I'm a ctm for a few designers. Before I apply to a team I make sure I know the designer by reputation, have worked with some of the product, and know people on the current ct. I check out the requirements and see how those will fit into my life. If I think I can handle the requirements, like the designer and the products, then I apply.
#116 - I hate their new gallery, but I'm loading up my cart right now, lol!
Farmer's Market is open.
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This is definitely worth looking at. If you're a template user, it's especially worth it!
I remember when the Farmer's Market had full kits for $1. Not it's all separates. Putting them together, I'm paying $4 to $6 for a kit. No thanks.
I agree with 121. CU and templates are really the only good deals.
There are quite a few full kits in there compared to the previous Farmer's Market. I think the deals are great.
I remember when the Farmer's Market had full kits for $1. Not it's all separates. Putting them together, I'm paying $4 to $6 for a kit. No thanks.
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There's elements for a buck and paper for the same, full size kits. As someone else said, there's also full kits for a dollar. There are some like you say but not ALL. That's simply not true. I hate when people exaggerate to prove a point, especially when it's so easy to prove them wrong. In my neck of the woods, this is called LYING.
Not all designers have the kind of requirements people talk about here.
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I'm not referring to what people say here. I am referring to what designers say in their ads for ct members. It's the designers who make a HUGE deal out of it and people play along (aka: kiss their asses) so they can be considered for a "coveted" spot. Given some of their requirements, I wonder how in the hell they pick their team members. Traci Reed (who I don't know personally and whose designs I sometimes like) wrote a How to Get on a Dream Team (I'm paraphrasing) and listed all these things needed to do to get on a great designer's team. Then she has Trish as a member of hers. Trish, whose photos generally are awful, whose scrapping can usually be compared to dumping a bunch of elements haphazardly on papers, none of which match the said awful photos and/or their theme.
There's elements for a buck and paper for the same, full size kits. As someone else said, there's also full kits for a dollar. There are some like you say but not ALL. That's simply not true. I hate when people exaggerate to prove a point, especially when it's so easy to prove them wrong. In my neck of the woods, this is called LYING.
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^^This^^
I agree with 121. CU and templates are really the only good deals.
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I disagree. There's several kits that are good deals as well.
I've found several really sweet full kits.
Oh wow, are the SO people out in force trying to hype this. I've been over, still didn't buy anything.
Oh wow, are the SO people out in force trying to hype this. I've been over, still didn't buy anything.
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You have no idea who is posting what. You must be the exaggerator/liar from the previous post. Hopefully, the designers at SO will still be able to have Christmas even though you didn't buy anything.
Oh wow, are the SO people out in force trying to hype this. I've been over, still didn't buy anything.
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I'm not an SO person (whatever that means) but I'll spread the hype just for you! I just spent under fifteen dollars and got a boat load of templates and three full kits. CHECK IT OUT!!!
good grief, can't we disagree without calling each other names?
I spent 10 on CU and 10 on PU. A whole bunch of new goodies for me to play with now! :D Love the templates especially!
good grief, can't we disagree without calling each other names?
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good grief, can't we post without some jerk trying to monitor the blog?
Love the templates especially!
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Same here. I might even go back and see if I missed any I like!
I generally only buy from SO during their Farmer's Market- and I HATE their gallery. Nonetheless, I have over 40 dollars worth sitting in my cart right now- and I'm trying to figure out what NOT to buy besides templates and CU as I don't use either. And before anyone says I am trolling for SO- not so. I don't CT for the site or anyone there. In fact I rarely if ever post in the gallery. However, this particular Farmer's Market- IMO- is the best I've seen in years- and I've been around for quite some time.
Other Black Friday deals??? Anyone?
I'm guessing every designer is having some sort of sale, even the ones that don't live in the States. Cyber Monday, too.
Speaking of Farmer's Market, does it seem to anyone else that SO is getting pretty desperate and really needs lots of sales from this Farmer's Market? I started getting newsletters from their designers on Tuesday this year. The Market is open until the following Monday. That's 6 days. I remember in the old days when it opened for Black Friday and ran through the weekend. Now it's 6 days long? Seems desperate to me. Also, they have put so many items into the market it seems like the entire shop is on sale. I clicked on the CU section and there are 96 pages of items. Each page has 24 items. That's over 2000 products on sale for $1. DESPERATION. It's the worst cologne.
Could be desperation, or it could be maximizing a promotion that worked well.
it could be maximizing a promotion that worked well.
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This is my guess. They got their act together and provided a wonderful sale. It might be desperation to you. To me, it's good business. Of course, I would guess they need lots of sales; what business doesn't to thrive? If they only ran the sale for the weekend, people would bitch. They extend it longer, you (who I assume didn't buy anything anyway) complain. Oh, well.
Who cares, you're getting great deals. And whoever said there were not alot of full kits, you must not be looking. I picked up 3 full kits from Createwings, just finished unzipping and they are gorgeous. I can't believe I've never purchased from her before. Also picked up alot of the templates and a few CU pieces just cause I like them. I don't usually shop at SO alot, but this time I spent over $30. Best FM in years for sure!
139-I can see where you made your mistake in thinking there were that many products for CU. In reality, there are only 5 pages included in the farmer's market. The bottom of the page does show that it goes up to 96 pages, but that is probably how their database is probably set up. Only 5 pages are filled. If you click on page 76 it will show you page 5.
Gotta Pixel is having a FB hop to collect a Sweater Weather kit plus templates if anyone's interested, it's pretty cute. Start at GP's FB page.
143 - 96 isn't the number of pages - it's number of products to display per page. The numbers before the blue arrow are the pages
145-There still isn't 2000 products in the cu no matter how you count them.
146, 145 isn't saying there are 2000 products. She is just correcting 143 that the number 96 is not the number of pages, but how many to be shown on one page.
139. Clearly FM is a good deal for SO and their designers or they wouldn't do it over and over through out the years. Since when is making even more money desperate?
#139 - so what? Seems to me that you are desperate to complain about something.
OMG a business wants your business?!?! Shocking. Idiot.
OMG a business wants your business?!?! Shocking. Idiot.
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Couldn't have said it better.
I have had problems with the SO site, paying via pay pal. . Have tried several times over the past 2 days and it gives me "We are sorry, we are experiencing temporary difficulties" has anyone else had the same issue?? getting frustrated now.
P&Co is having a $2 sale. A whole bunch of kits on my wish list made the sale! Yay!
Sugar Hill just announced their black Friday sale is one of the surprise 75% off sales.
Best CU Sales...
Farmers Market
SHC
Magical Scraps
DSH
Stolen Moments just showed up at PCO.
WTH is DSH?
http://www.digitalscrapbookinghill.com/custore/
Jenn Barrette commented on Sally Bouley's FB comment about shopping Black Friday:
Fuck'm that is ridiculous that they have nothing better to do that judge you. Thanksgiving isn't really a huge deal IMO, it is a fucking turkey dinner. lol
Thanksgiving is not a big deal? WTF? I hope I'm on the only customer she loses with that stupid comment.
*not the only
#155 ha ha ha ... Magical scrap
What did Sally Bouley say that generated that response?
159 - I don't see it as stupid. Many people don't get all hyper sensitive about holidays. You're free to observe as you choose and so are others. If it's not a big deal to them, what difference does that make to you?
Thanksgiving is just a day to give thanks. Maybe some of us don't need one specific day to do that as we do it every day.
I don't see it as stupid. Many people don't get all hyper sensitive about holidays. You're free to observe as you choose and so are others. If it's not a big deal to them, what difference does that make to you?
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I agree with your sentiment. In fact, #159, there are people who don't even celebrate Thanksgiving, so clearly it's not a big deal for some. Obviously it's a big deal for you but hoping she will lose customers is not in the spirit of Thanksgiving.
Not everybody is American. I'm not and Jen Barrette isn't either. She's Canadian I think.
So not everybody observes the American holidays.
Canada has its own Thanksgiving, about a month before ours in the states.
The people working on Thanksgiving thing is being beaten to death this year. The date on the calendar doesn't really matter when it comes to family time, being thankful or a "fucking turkey dinner". *shrugs* Work Thursday? have a get together on Friday or Sat...or Sun, BAM problem solved.
You are entitled to your opinion, 167... but for some families, Thanksgiving is a big deal and if a family member works for one of these companies that keeps starting Black Friday hours earlier and earlier every year, it does cut into their holiday in a negative way. They should be just as free to voice their displeasure about that, as those who don't think it's a big deal.
If Sally thinks there's nothing wrong with shopping on Thanksgiving, I don't know why she'd allow herself to feel "judged" for it. Just do what you want and ignore people who don't feel the same way. It's a big world, lots of different opinions out there. It's more fun to seek attention on Facebook though, I guess.
I do have to say that I wonder how Jenn Barrette would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and some American designer spoke of a Canadian holiday with disdain. I think that was the original poster's point. I don't wish for her to lose business, but Jenn should know that inflammatory comments made in public view could influence customer attitudes towards her and her business. Not sure she'd care anyway, but maybe she should.
do have to say that I wonder how Jenn Barrette would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and some American designer spoke of a Canadian holiday with disdain. I think that was the original poster's point.
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No, I don't think this was the original poster's point. You are turning this into something that it isn't. It's not about it being an American holiday or not, especially in light of Canada also having Thanksgiving. It's just about Thanksgiving and Jenn not really caring that much about it.
No, she wasn't talking about Thanksgiving in general because the topic related to American Thanksgiving and the impact of Black Friday shopping. She was talking about something that has nothing to do with her, as a Canadian.
For many people in the US, Thanksgiving is still a religious or spiritual observance, not just a national holiday or a "fucking turkey dinner." Her comment will definitely come off poorly with those people (among others).
I think the point Jenn Barrette was trying to make just happened to be about Thanksgiving shopping, but was actually about doing what you want and not worrying about what other people say about it, ss long as you don't hurt others, or yourself. I totally agree with her!
Is this blog missing the month November? over and out?
I, as a designer and respectable human being, would never, ever use bad language on my personal facebook page. I do, however, have been known for being a bit of a potty mouth IRL with only those closest to me.On the web and social media - there are some rules of etiquette I think people should follow - you would be surprised by how behaving in questionable ways can impair one's reputation.
170- I agree with you that her comment will come off poorly for some customers. If not in the sentiment, then in the tone and wording/ foul language. Many customers expect business people to express themselves more professionally in a public setting. I was taken aback by the wording, and like it or not, it may affect my future purchases. There are so many good designers out there with styles similar to hers that if I am choosing between her and another designer for a comparable product, I may purchase from the other designer.
The Confectionary Club at SHC is such an epic fail. I know I heard how way back it was messed up but when Just Jaimee and Mommyish joined I decided to subscribe. It went fine for awhile but it states: " You can expect to see at least 1 new and exclusive product by each designer, each month." There hasn't been anything by Mommyish since May and now Jaimee left SHC so there hasn't been anything from her since Sept. I subscribed because of them, not Miss Tiina. She's thrown a bunch of stuff in there the last few months trying to make up for it I supposed but it's disappointing. She needs to replace them with other designers if they aren't going to keep up their end.
There isn't a comment out there that uptight, self righteous, religious extremists wouldn't find offensive.
Service industries have been working on Thanksgiving for a long time. Movie theatres have been open on Thanksgiving for as long as I can remember and for some families, it's a tradition to go to the movies as a family on Thanksgiving. I never heard anyone bitch and campaign about them working on Thanksgiving.
For many families, Black Friday is also a tradition and opportunity to spend time together having fun shopping.
For some, it's about sitting at home in front of marshmallow topped sweet potatoes and a fucking turkey.
WHO THE FUCK CARES.
Do what you want and let others do what they want. Stop putting God and the Bible in front of your opinions because they're not bullet shields. I find that the most disrespectful thing any single person can do.
176- I am 174. For me, it has nothing to do with religion, self-righteousness, or uptightness. I am a professional, and I expect people who are professionals (and she is at a store that presents itself as polished and professional) to put on the professional facade when they are "in public." How people "behave" does affect my willingness to support them.
I think Thanksgiving is a bigger deal in the US than in Canada, I think there it really is just a turkey dinner.
But I also agree with #176. I hope everyone who finds shopping on Thanksgiving utterly appalling didn't run to the grocery store for butter that they forgot, watch the football game on TV, or get gas on the way home from dinner.
177- I see your point... to a point. Professionals are still people. If it was done on her business page, that's one thing. This was done on a personal page with her personal account. I'm pretty sure even as professional as you claim to be, you've sworn with your friends or done something with your friends that's less than professional.
179- I am 177. I have done those things. I just never put it in writing or take a picture of it to immortalize it for eternity. LOL.
I'm 176 and I cited my examples because they're industries where people often have traditions as family which seems to be the main bitch - Thanksgiving is a time for family. But yes, I agree with 178. I also hope they didn't use their phones or the internet or their electricity or water or anything else that requires other people to work on Thanksgiving.
So, 180 is just a hypocrite? I've done all that, but because I haven't done it on Facebook I'm ok and that other person isn't? Seriously.
No, she wasn't talking about Thanksgiving in general because the topic related to American Thanksgiving and the impact of Black Friday shopping. She was talking about something that has nothing to do with her, as a Canadian.
For many people in the US, Thanksgiving is still a religious or spiritual observance, not just a national holiday or a "fucking turkey dinner." Her comment will definitely come off poorly with those people (among others).
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OMFG! Are you serious? I find it incredible that you manged to turn her comment into being not only anti American but now also possibly anti religious. Her comment was neither and trying to make it so just makes you look like a trouble maker.
Is this blog missing the month November? over and out?
Nov 30, 2013, 5:16:00 AM
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Who cares? It's almost December.
This was done on a personal page with her personal account.
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Which is an excellent point. Why is no one roasting the person who shared that particular post? Sharing private stuff about someone else is about as low as it gets.
#183, kindly un-wad your panties. I never once accused her of being anti-American or anti-religious. I said that people who still have spiritual or religious value in Thanksgiving will be offended at her comments that Thanksgiving is not important. For them, it is a very important holiday. As far as being anti-American, I didn't say that either. My point was that she has no business having such a "loud" opinion about something that doesn't affect her, as a Canadian.
You sort of need to get a grip. Turn a hose on yourself or something.
Nothing posted on the internet is "private." Private would have been a phone conversation, or an email or private message exchange between Sally and Jenn. If it's on someone's personal Facebook wall, it's personal, but not private. There's a difference.
#186 - You are a twat. You kept bringing it up that it was an American holiday and she was Canadian. Neither of those points were at all relevant so you were clearly implying anti-American sentiment. Keep digging that hole.
Name-calling is always an effective way to win an argument and a clear indication of one's maturity level. Obviously, I'm wasting my time trying to reason with you, so you go right on thinking what you want. Wonder why this has struck such a nerve with you, though. Is it possible that you're so offended because you are who you think I you are and I called you on your bullshit? Probably so.
SSD switching to "play-to-win" challenges at the first of the year. One more way for them to show favoritism as to the "winners" instead of an even system like the portfolio challenges.
Where did you find that info #190?
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