Bit slow off the mark this month. I just downloaded a couple of contributions for the Digi Scrap Parade Blog Train. Some looked fab and others looked not so fab. Which ones did you like ?
Personally, whomever the OP is of any of the above posts, it really looks like ya'll have just as much anger and aggression as she does. Strange how her one point rings true, you do latch on to the next thing that comes up and start ripping. Maybe she is one of those you have thrashed so soundly? __ Stranger still is how you're almost as much of a hypocrite as she is. Oh, and if you wish to lecture people, I'd think a different audience would be more productive and satisfying for you.
It is not Faye at PBP. I know her and trust me, she is far from disabled. _ She also wouldn't take the time to post long, long paragraphs of crap because she has her panties in a wad.
Must be nice to sit there and make others feel as shitty as you obviously feel about yourself! __
It's unfortunate you have your feelings hurt as much as you apparently do. If there's nothing legitimate to the smacking you've received here, shrug it off. Maybe..just maybe..there is a ring of truth to it and that's why you're so defensive, emotional and, clearly angry.
She may have a chip on her shoulder but she's one of the best designers in the industry today imo. -- Agree, however, her stuff is all starting to look the same these days.
So is Trixie Scraps. And she hates being smacked here. -- Maybe Trixie Scraps should work more on creating something worth buying instead of behaving like a two-year-old. Her work is boring, poorly recolored and unoriginal or she could just stick to templates.
Must be nice to sit there and make others feel as shitty as you obviously feel about yourself! ___ Wow, you have more problems than being smacked on this blog if you are MADE to feel shitty by what some anonymous someone says about you. If you behave like this irl, it's precisely why you're being smacked here.
Go ahead, keep trashing people, ruin lives and businesses, what is it to you, it isn't food off your table, or bills unpaid because a few bad words screwed your sales now is it? _________
You certainly are giving lots and lots of power to the posters here. Do you really and truly think that what someone says here could affect your business to that extent, or at all? How about taking responsibility for your own business's successes and failures? If you're who I believe you are, you need to pump some originality and creativity (not to mention quality checking your elements) into your kits. Work on that instead of being so defensive, hostile and juvenile.
"food off your table" sounds like things I have heard from Royanna in the past. Ra often taked about getting a deal for traditional paper scrapping papers.
It's interesting that most every time Trixie Scraps gets smacked here, someone comes along and posts a long, rambling rant or two about how terrible we all are.
It's interesting that most every time Trixie Scraps gets smacked here, someone comes along and posts a long, rambling rant or two about how terrible we all are. __ I believe Trixie Scraps is the culprit AND that it's pretty obvious why people sometimes have problems with her. She acts immature, has a victim thing goin' on and is very angry and bitter towards people who she perceives are hurting her business.
I wouldn't discount the possibility that it is Royanna. The "food off the table" and "wrecking business" sure sounds familiar, and she claims she does have a disability (illness).
I can go to SSD and everything there looks pretty much alike. It's the same stuff over and over. I used to buy a ton of stuff there but not anymore. There's no variety. ------ I agree with this. EVERYTHING (except for Ru's stuff which I usually don't really like) DOES look the same. Go look at the Sneak Peeks for this week. All the same old stuff that I already have. I don't care for 90% of SO's stuff anymore and P@Co is WAY too expensive. TLP doesn't hold my interest AT ALL anymore either. Pickleberry Pop, here I come to look, however, I already know I do NOT care for JumpStart Designs. I just may be S.O.L!
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The reason I shop at places like SSD is BECAUSE everything is similar. My scrapping style doesn't change week to week, people. I like what I like. I buy there because one week I need a summer kit, and one week I need a farm/petting zoo kit, and one week I need a xmas kit, and one week I need...... you get the idea.
The reason places like that thrive is because they cater to a customer base who wants what they sell. In all different colors and themes, but similar products.
The reason I don't shop at SO, SBG, TDC, etc anymore is because I have to wade through too much crap that isn't my style to find the few gems. Too much work, and no thank you. My time is valuable.
I'm with 26. I want my albums to look cohesive, not scattered. I shop with a few of the same designers at SSD and have for years and that wont be changing unless one of them retires. I'm not looking for the most unique kit in the store. I'm looking for a cohesive kit I can scrap my pictures with.
I don't see how anyone scraps an album with majority of what is at SO or SBG.
I'm with 26. I want my albums to look cohesive, not scattered. I shop with a few of the same designers at SSD and have for years and that wont be changing unless one of them retires. I'm not looking for the most unique kit in the store. I'm looking for a cohesive kit I can scrap my pictures with.
I don't see how anyone scraps an album with majority of what is at SO or SBG.
I agree with this. EVERYTHING (except for Ru's stuff which I usually don't really like) DOES look the same. Go look at the Sneak Peeks for this week. All the same old stuff that I already have. I don't care for 90% of SO's stuff anymore and P@Co is WAY too expensive. TLP doesn't hold my interest AT ALL anymore either. Pickleberry Pop, here I come to look, however, I already know I do NOT care for JumpStart Designs. I just may be S.O.L!
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I've heard people complain on this blog a number of times that PCO is too expensive but I just don't see it. I mainly shop there SSD and TLP. The prices seem consistent to me between those stores. Most normal kits at PCO are $6-10, averaging $8. The kits at SSD are $6.49-$8.99, with most being either $6.99 (individual designers) or $8.99 (collabs). Kits at TLP are usually $5.99-9.99, too, with most being $6.99 or $7.99. How is PCO different? I don't see it at all.
doubt that SBG & Deviant Scrap customers make traditional scrap albums. They make other things. Aug 25, 2013, 12:46:00 PM Anonymous said... 31 +++++++++++ That wasn't really the point, 30, but if it makes you feel better to contribute... ++++++++++
I think Zoe USED TO be one of the best in the industry. But she doesn't do anything special anymore. Other people's skills have caught up, and meanwhile she's just releasing the same old shit all the time.
IMO the funniest part about her mediocrity now is that she knows it. Earlier this year, she started announcing that she was going to change up her style, start making more mature stuff, yada yada because she KNEW that her products were becoming tired and old. That lasted about two weeks. Meanwhile, she puts down other people all the time in an attempt to make herself believe that she is still the queenbee she once was.
Meh, the size of a kit is not important, LOL. It's what's in it that counts. A big kit could just be filled with packing peanuts, what's the point of that? Quality over quantity every time.
43 just described every kit at SSD. If you take out all of the fluff that those designers put in there in order to say that they packed 80 elements into a kit, you have the 40 or so that TLP and other stores put into their kits. And they all have the same basic number of papers. IMO it's all the same, but the SSD designers have to make it look like their kit has more in it because the scrappers there are clustermaniacs.
Many scrappers scrap with flowers - paper and digi scrappers. They're not just for clustermaniacs. Scrappers who like those things are not going to find value in a kit half the size without the normal, standard things they reach for when they scrap. They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want.
It's not a judgement on a style of scrapbooking. It's just why some people find P&CO expensive and others don't.
Seems like Zoe isn't the only one with a chip on her shoulder around here.
I am not the SSD peanut gallery. There are plenty of shops that sell traditional scrap supplies, I only sited the ones brought up in this discussion.
I was merely pointing out why some people find P&CO expensive. Do I really need to reference every single post # so people can stay on topic? It's just a few posts up!
A kit can be named after a book/song or movie title? Or it is a violation of copyright? I wouldn't use anything specifically from the book/movie/song itself, just would use it because the athmosphere, but I'm not sure that it's OK. What are your opinions?
They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want. ---------
There's a difference between not finding what you need and finding the same darn thing in almost every kit, that's what I mean with packing peanuts. It's not specific items, like flowers, ribbons etc, it's anything that is repeated, without change, ad nauseam.
They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want.
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Have you ever looked through the gallery at SSD and then looked through the gallery at PCO? It's pretty obvious to me that the majority of the scrappers at SSD are people who fill almost every inch of space with elements and clusters and things that draw more attention to the product than the photo, while the majority of the scrappers at PCO lean toward a white space simplistic style and let the photo take main stage. I'd say that TLP is half and half, with the OLB/Paislee/Sahlin-type customers on the simple side.
My point is that either way, the price of the kit being used is about the same, and the customers are making a page or two with the kit for the same cost. The difference to me is that at TLP and PCO the designers are making more of their own original items than the designers at SSD, who use a lot more CU on average. Before anyone throws up their arms in protest and gives me 100 examples of CU at TLP and PCO, I didn't say those designers don't use it. But I am saying that they use it less, and more creatively.
A kit can be named after a book/song or movie title? Or it is a violation of copyright? I wouldn't use anything specifically from the book/movie/song itself, just would use it because the athmosphere, but I'm not sure that it's OK. What are your opinions? --------------------
59 just nailed it. Who cares how many elements you're getting in a kit if you don't NEED all of those elements? Most digital scrappers make a page or two with a kit, max. If someone buys at TLP for $8 and makes a page, and another person buys at SSD for $8 and makes a page, the cost is the same. Whether one kit has 100 elements and the other has 50 makes no difference at all. I get so sick of hearing people talk about how certain shops are too expensive but believe SSD is less expensive b/c the kits are jam-packed. They are really not, and I don't need jam-packed anyway.
I didn't say those designers don't use it. But I am saying that they use it less, and more creatively. __ Yeah, well, that's your opinion. I'm STILL not paying four bucks for six journal cards no matter how creative they are. You're wrong when you say scrappers at P @ Co don't use a lot of elements (as most people are when they generalize). They have their share of embellishment vomit just like everyone else. There's also lots of scrappers at SSD who do NOT use lots of elements. Please don't try to make a point by assuming everyone but you is uninformed and/or stupid.
Yeah, well, that's your opinion. I'm STILL not paying four bucks for six journal cards no matter how creative they are. You're wrong when you say scrappers at P @ Co don't use a lot of elements (as most people are when they generalize). They have their share of embellishment vomit just like everyone else. There's also lots of scrappers at SSD who do NOT use lots of elements. Please don't try to make a point by assuming everyone but you is uninformed and/or stupid.
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Why so angry? Nobody said anyone else was uninformed or stupid until you brought it up. I happen to think you're delusional, because just by looking at the main gallery page at both sites just now it's obvious to anyone that there are more simple pages at PCO. All it took was one glance to see that. SMH
ps the fact that you quoted the part about CU use even though you didn't really address it tells me that you're likely a SSD designer and it's that comment that got you good and bothered
For me, it's not so much cost as it is need. I make photo scrapbooks for friends and family all the time and need lots of variety in my kits. SSD is the only place I can ALWAYS find something no matter what theme or colors I need. I have really and truly tried to shop elsewhere and I just cannot find anything most of the time. Templates are another story. There are some great template designers out there and I shop all over the place for them.
it tells me that you're likely a SSD designer and it's that comment that got you good and bothered _ I couldn't design a button. Again, don't assume. I guess you didn't catch that the first time around.
I couldn't design a button. Again, don't assume. I guess you didn't catch that the first time around.
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Why did you take the time and effort to quote that part about CU, then? That part seems quite odd. But then your message was rather rambling and incoherent with regard to the rest of the conversation we're all having, so maybe it fits quite nicely after all.
But then your message was rather rambling and incoherent with regard to the rest of the conversation we're all having, so maybe it fits quite nicely after all. - No the op but this isn't a sentence and it's quite rambling. I mean if you're going to critique someone's writing you should maybe proof your own.
Not the OP but it appears you are the one that is making that assumption. I see nothing in the OP's post to remotely suggest this. ______ That's because you are the OP.
When Pixels and Company first opened I was blown away by their prices. In fact, I remember commenting to my husband that I wondered if all those designers decided to start a new store together just so they could charge more for their products.
I also think that designers across the board have raised prices lately, so that now P&Co prices no longer stand out as being substantially higher. A year or so ago I would have said that an average kits cots about $5-6. Today it is more like $7-8. That could just be inflation.
Inflation or not, I still have the feeling that P&Co paved the way for higher prices in the last 6 months. But I don't actually have any numbers to compare. Would any designers like to say if they have raised their prices recently? And did P&Co prices have any influence on them?
I love flowers on my pages. I don't shop at SSD. Many kits have flowers that aren't at SSD. There is only one designer there that I'd walk across the street for a sale.
Is everyone forgetting how expenisve DHD was when all the P&CO designers were there? They are paper people, and they charge more, and their customers pay it. I do think they are expensive, but I am not a flat scrapper, so I wouldn't buy the kits anyway.
When Pixels and Company first opened I was blown away by their prices.
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Do you know what I think it is that makes them seem so much more expensive? They sell so many products as separates and add-ons and those items are all priced $4-6. Someone said earlier that they wouldn't pay $4 for 6 journal cards, and ITA. But then all of those items are part of full collections that are much more reasonable. You might find a paper pack for $4, and element pack for $4, a card pack for $4, and an alpha for $2-4. So then you can get all of those same items for just $10 if you buy the whole collection. When things first release, they are on sale, too, so the whole collection isn't any more expensive than a kit somewhere else. It took me a while to realize that it's not more expensive there unless you are dumb enough to buy the separates when they're not on sale. Besides, I shop the TLP BYOC each month and many of those items are priced the same as the separates at Pixels and Co and if you buy just 3-4 items at TLP you're spending just as much as you would at Pixels if not more.
re P&Co, but directed in response to post 82: But I don't *want* a collection. I hate Project Life/Pocket pages; I make my own alphas; I don't care for a bunch of WA that usually doesn't apply to my pages. So for me, all I need/want is a kit, which is made up of elements and papers. So to buy a "collection" of that other shit isn't a better deal for me. And you're right: buying the packs separately would be a dumb move because I'd be spending more for two packs (elements and papers), which is why I don't shop at P&Co. I just want a kit and I want to buy it as such. Not as papers and as elements. Not as a "collection." I get fed up with seeing a collection or a bundle and the words "Save when you buy the bundle!" It's not a savings if I don't want half (or more) of that stuff in the first place.
I get fed up with seeing a collection or a bundle and the words "Save when you buy the bundle!" It's not a savings if I don't want half (or more) of that stuff in the first place. ___ I so agree with this! Normally, I simply want papers and embellishments done well at a decent price. I can do without alphas, journal cards, word art, etc. as I can make all that (and usually do to conform with my pages better).
83 and 84, they sell kits there too. Most of them are 7 or 8 bucks, I have bought them before. How exactly is that more expensive than SSD? Oh it's not. I have no idea what 82's point was (TL;DR) other than it seemed that they were saying that the shop isn't more expensive but if you look at it just in terms of what they charge for separates, it seems more expensive. But buy a kit or a collection, whatever gets you off, and it's the same.
But then all of those items are part of full collections that are much more reasonable. You might find a paper pack for $4, and element pack for $4, a card pack for $4, and an alpha for $2-4. So then you can get all of those same items for just $10 if you buy the whole collection.
------------ This adds up to $14-$16 for the whole collection, not $10. Even during their new release sale of 20% off it's $11.20-$12.80.
If you drop the journal cards. Then it becomes $10-$12 for the papers, elements, and alphas. During their new release sale it's now $8-9.60.
At SSD (just for example), most kits (that have papers, elements, and alphas) are between $7-9 normal price. During their new release sale they're $5.60-$7.20.
That is cheaper no matter how you slice it.
P&CO does sell kits. Some have the elements and papers, but no alphas for $7-8. Some have elements, papers, and alphas for $7-8. Some are $13. There are a lot of separates, though, and that really drives up the cost.
Maybe P&CO's problem is inconsistency whereas SSD is far more consistent with products and pricing.
People like 86 either won't ever 'get it' or else they're just the SSD cronies trying to boost their own sales. The truth is that the 3 shops that have been discussed in the past day or two are all comparable in price. TLP, SSD, and PCO charge more than many other digi shops by a dollar or two, on average. They SHOULD charge more, though, if you look at the quality of designers at each shop. They're worth more.
As a designer, my kit pricing might not make sense at first glance. Two kits might be the same price, but one has alphas included and the other doesn't. If it includes an alpha, chances are there are more recolors or less complex papers.
Why is someone discussing SSD and PCO pricing an SSD cronie, but no one defending and discussing PCO's pricing a PCO designer or cronie looking to boost their own sales?
91, because the person who was discussing the pricing was very obviously trying to say that SSD is priced lower. Read much? Here:
"At SSD (just for example), most kits (that have papers, elements, and alphas) are between $7-9 normal price. During their new release sale they're $5.60-$7.20.
That is cheaper no matter how you slice it."
All the while everyone else in this discussion so far seems to comprehend the concept that the shops are all priced about the same. That's why they're a SSD cronie. Do keep up.
Because a few of us were saying they are all equal in pricing/value, and then one person said no, SSD is lots better. If they are defending one, its easy to guess that they are with that store.
89, how do you know that? I heard SSD but not from a reliable source. I'm hoping my source is correct b/c I shop there and hate having to go to TDC just for her kits.
Also I saw today that River Rose is leaving SM. I don't buy from her at all but I am more curious to know where she could be going that would be a step up. Anyone know?
Yes 89, worth more. Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold. TLP SSD and PCO are the only stores I can think of that can boast that. Maybe Jessica Sprague too if you count that as a digi shop.
To me it doesn't really matter which designers, or even which stores, have the highest prices. I'll buy the products I love, and will just have to buy less if they cost more. I don't necessarily think that a higher priced product is higher quality.
But I do think prices have increased recently and I think that is interesting. I had discovered DHD just a little before all the designers left. I had purchased some of the free kits and dollar deals, but had not paid attention to the full prices, so I was not aware that DHD was on the expensive side even before those designers left the store.
I also think the idea that paper scrappers are more willing to pay more is interesting.
How did 95 take anything as gospel? In fact the whole point of her post seemed to be that she did NOT trust what the OP said. This place is indeed strange but mostly because you make very little sense.
Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold. TLP SSD and PCO are the only stores I can think of that can boast that. --------------
Go ahead and name the five at each of those stores. However, as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place.
Go ahead and name the five at each of those stores. However, as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place. --- Your jealous rage is extremely entertaining.
Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold. ----------
Sorry 106, but if you were also 103 then I'd have to agree with the person who said you were acting jealous. Post 103 reeks of it in fact. Case in point:
"as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place."
The irony of your attempt to put others down in order to make yourself feel better is that if you happen to be someone who hasn't had her designs picked up then you just put yourself down even lower than people who "produce absolute crap" - which is your words, not mine. Moron.
I think the original point here was that there are a lot of digi shops that can't charge as much as places like SSD TLP and PCO. The only reason those 3 shops are being focused on is because they were the ones that got accused of charging too much for products up above. But IMO there's something valid about the argument. Could GP or SBB or PBP ever get away with those prices? Doubtful. The original argument was that that first group of shops is able to charge more because of the designers they have. I'm sure that's actually true or else those shops wouldn't be charging those prices and obviously the prices are supported by the customers.
Has Ali designed anything for paper? She's a well-known scrapper, as is Cathy Zielske, but neither one has designed that I recall.
Never heard of Lili Niclass. What did she design? I think Peppermint has only done a couple of random papers for SC, right? Not exactly well-known, but I get your point.
The irony of your attempt to put others down in order to make yourself feel better is that if you happen to be someone who hasn't had her designs picked up then you just put yourself down even lower than people who "produce absolute crap" - which is your words, not mine. Moron. -------
Hate to break it to you darling, but I have been picked up by paper companies. So, shove that in your pipe in smoke it. Moron.
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I could lie to you, but I won't. Yes, one of the companies was producing absolute crap, which is how I know that bar isn't so high. And if the list #120 provided is accurate, I think I was producing along side some of those names. That's a real flea market mix there.
I feel like I've missed something: We're now equating "digital scrap designer Greatness" with "ability to be picked up by paper scrap companies"? That bothers me for two reasons. One, paper companies have different quality standards and Two, Paper trends are more static than digital. Digital changes much faster than paper because we can take a photo, extract it, (or design on our computer), and put it up for sale--all in the same day. Paper can't have that kind of turnaround.
My long point is, digital designer prowess/price point/coolness/whatever shouldn't be compared to paper designers. The digital designers who are picked up by paper lines aren't exactly cutting edge.
They are cutting edge when the line is designed, but it takes months to produce.
But the biggest thing is reputation. No matter what some of you think, being able to say you did a paper line (or multiple) immediately adds credibility to you. Not to mention the pay. One paper line can easily get you $3-4K.
122 your point is solid, but I don't know if that's what anyone here was attempting to do. I can only speak for myself anyway, but my portions of this conversation stemmed wholly from people discussing price. Someone said - Shop A is too expensive. Someone else said - no it isn't, it's the same as Shop B and Shop C. Multiple people discussed the fact that Shops A, B & C are all more expensive than most other digital shops for the most part. Someone else said - that's because the quality of designer at those shops is higher. I happen to agree. It isn't to say that digital designers who get chosen to have paper lines created from their work are better. But let's be truthful and cut the bullshit here: if a quarter of your shop is being published, it means that there's a mass appeal for what's being made. It does equate to supply and demand - the more people that want something, the more the designer(s) can charge. Plain and simple.
The assumption being made is that most customers are aware that designers are designing a paper line or working with a paper company in some capacity. I, for one, wasn't nor do I gave a damn that they do. I don't shop paper, I only shop digital and pay accordingly. I'd pay top dollar for very few of the names on #120's list. The rest are average and, again, I would only pay accordingly. I understand about mass appeal but you know, there's a mass appeal for McDonald's but I wouldn't pay those prices.
No 127, that assumption is NOT being made. I'm not saying that customers know someone designs for paper and that it makes them want to buy that person's products that much more. I'm saying that when a designer is good and makes things that hoards of people want to buy - then 1) she gets to charge more because she CAN and 2) the paper companies tend to find that person, because she's good. Your mind is putting the cart before the horse instead of the other way around.
Chill out everyone. Nobody's saying that you can't be an amazing and talented and successful digi designer if you haven't gotten a paper deal. We were just speculating as to why certain stores are able to charge higher prices than other stores, and the percentage-of-paper-designers-in-that-store idea was thrown out there as a theory. It doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of great designers who don't design for both. There are and we all know this. Chill.Out.Now. Don't take this all personally b/c it is not about you.
I'm saying that when a designer is good and makes things that hoards of people want to buy ------
What hoards? The paper scrapbook industry is in a decline. All you have to do is go into Target, Michaels etc. and see how small their scrap supply areas are now, compared to even a year ago.
I'm not so sure that designing for a paper company these days is quite the kudos it was two or three years ago.
Chill.Out.Now. Don't take this all personally b/c it is not about you. ___ I assume we're all adults here. That being the case, I resent someone telling adults to "chill out now" when there's an ongoing discussion. If the discussion is getting too heated for YOU, then maybe you need to take a hike.
If you don't disclose the fact that you are talking about your own experiences, how the fuck am I supposed to know? Not to mention that just because you are being paid that, if you are in fact being paid that, doesn't mean it's true for everyone and therefore not 'easily'. You are clearly the idiot.
I'm the one who originally posted $3-$4K (but not 149), so you know there are at least two of us making that. I really wish that people didn't automatically discount everything they read here as false. Some of us are legit!
151 - People still don't believe there are designers who make over $1000/month selling digi kits. Why would they believe you make $3-4k for paper? I believe it, but I also know some designers make a good living.
150 - I'm almost without words. You're saying that after multiple people had already said that someone can make $3-4K per paper line you felt the need to tell everyone else that it was a lie because I hadn't yet told you I was talking about my own experiences? What the hell did you think we were all talking about?
Ohhhhhh wait I get it - because you were talking out your ass, you assumed that everyone else was doing the same right? I think it's unbelievable that you were even a part of this discussion, as you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and probably no experience in the field.
For those of you designing for paper companies (ie. make $3-4K per paper line), is this amount just for the papers you design, or does this also include various elements, ribbons, stickers etc...? Do you ever work with a 2nd designer if one person is strong at papers & the other is strong at elements? Thanks in advance :)
ps. Congrats on your paper lines - it must be pretty exciting to see your work printed on scrapbooking products in real life!
156: It depends on the company. Some will pay you a flat fee (in my experience, that's to design something exclusively for them) and others will pick up an existing digital line (either as-is, or to build on it) and pay you a % of the sales. Obviously the bigger the paper line, the more it sells, and then the more you make. Additionally, if it gets placed into a big box store you make a commission off of that as well, although it's generally a smaller percentage. Same goes if it is turned into a fabric line... You could be getting paid four times for one design (digital, paper, big box, fabric) which makes it even more lucrative.
If it's a flat fee, they will usually say X papers, Y tags, Z stickers, etc., and that's included in the price. If it's a commission, they will still probably art direct you (ask for X papers, Y tags, Z stickers) but your pay rate is still just a percentage of sales.
Elements in paper are a completely different thing than they are in paper. I actually struggle a bit when I first start a paper line after doing digital (or vice versa) because I have to force myself to think flat instead of adding shadows.
I think the ones who get picked up by paper companies the most ARE the strong paper designers, which is why the list 120 gave doesn't necessarily equate to the most popular digital kit designers.
I do know people who have designed paper lines together, but I haven't personally.
I'm seeing a lot of layouts without pictures. Of course it's in a facebook group that only allows layouts, no previews or adds. Just wondering if this is a new trend for CTs.
Ephesians 4:29 ESV Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Someone posts a layout without a photo in a group for layouts. If you have a point, 180, make it. Who cares if there are 10 or 1 in there. A layout is a layout in a group for....... layouts.
I'm assuming that her point is that she feels that they are to some extent posting a kit preview but calling it a LO. I could see some doing that but I'd have to see these LOs in order to say that's the case because as pp's have mentioned there are lots of people who make LOs without photos that are truly LOs and not intended for purely advertising purposes.
exactly #182, thank you!! https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/digitalscrapbookinggallery/ if anybody wants to go look, though now that I have gone and looked there aren't that many of them. Facebook can be strange as to what it actually shows you in your newsfeed. Guess it thinks it should only show me the ones without pics!
You really couldn't find the words to say you thought a layout without a photo seemed like an ad? You really need to get out more, 183. Really.
I've seen a few people in that group violate the rules by posting ads/previews, but very infrequently. I've never once looked at a photoless layout and ever thought it was anything less than a layout. Not once.
Thought my original post did say that, #184. Guess I was too subtle. And I would love to get out more, though the dogs haven't liked how much I was gone earlier this week.
You really couldn't find the words to say you thought a layout without a photo seemed like an ad? You really need to get out more, 183. Really.
I've seen a few people in that group violate the rules by posting ads/previews, but very infrequently. I've never once looked at a photoless layout and ever thought it was anything less than a layout. Not once. __________
Tracey Monette posted a ton of product ads in that gallery a week or two ago. Etc. By Danyale used to do it too. I don't believe at all that either of them didn't know the point of the gallery or the rules.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 588 of 588 Newer› Newest»I know Faye works for a print company and owns what she considers a top shop. I don't know about the physically disabled part, but, it's possible.
Faye as in Fayette at PBP?
It is not Faye at PBP. I know her and trust me, she is far from disabled.
Personally, whomever the OP is of any of the above posts, it really looks like ya'll have just as much anger and aggression as she does. Strange how her one point rings true, you do latch on to the next thing that comes up and start ripping. Maybe she is one of those you have thrashed so soundly?
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Stranger still is how you're almost as much of a hypocrite as she is. Oh, and if you wish to lecture people, I'd think a different audience would be more productive and satisfying for you.
It is not Faye at PBP. I know her and trust me, she is far from disabled.
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She also wouldn't take the time to post long, long paragraphs of crap because she has her panties in a wad.
Must be nice to sit there and make others feel as shitty as you obviously feel about yourself!
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It's unfortunate you have your feelings hurt as much as you apparently do. If there's nothing legitimate to the smacking you've received here, shrug it off. Maybe..just maybe..there is a ring of truth to it and that's why you're so defensive, emotional and, clearly angry.
Zoe Pearn has a chip on her shoulder. Does that count?
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She may have a chip on her shoulder but she's one of the best designers in the industry today imo.
Maybe it's Royanna. She sees the world a whole lot differently.
Maybe it's Royanna. She sees the world a whole lot differently.
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Is she that bitter and hostile?
oh yes!!
Is she that bitter and hostile?
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So is Trixie Scraps. And she hates being smacked here.
She may have a chip on her shoulder but she's one of the best designers in the industry today imo.
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Agree, however, her stuff is all starting to look the same these days.
So is Trixie Scraps. And she hates being smacked here.
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Maybe Trixie Scraps should work more on creating something worth buying instead of behaving like a two-year-old. Her work is boring, poorly recolored and unoriginal or she could just stick to templates.
Must be nice to sit there and make others feel as shitty as you obviously feel about yourself!
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Wow, you have more problems than being smacked on this blog if you are MADE to feel shitty by what some anonymous someone says about you. If you behave like this irl, it's precisely why you're being smacked here.
Go ahead, keep trashing people, ruin lives and businesses, what is it to you, it isn't food off your table, or bills unpaid because a few bad words screwed your sales now is it?
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You certainly are giving lots and lots of power to the posters here. Do you really and truly think that what someone says here could affect your business to that extent, or at all? How about taking responsibility for your own business's successes and failures? If you're who I believe you are, you need to pump some originality and creativity (not to mention quality checking your elements) into your kits. Work on that instead of being so defensive, hostile and juvenile.
"food off your table" sounds like things I have heard from Royanna in the past. Ra often taked about getting a deal for traditional paper scrapping papers.
It's interesting that most every time Trixie Scraps gets smacked here, someone comes along and posts a long, rambling rant or two about how terrible we all are.
Maybe it's Royanna. She sees the world a whole lot differently.
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Too coherent to be Royanna.
It's interesting that most every time Trixie Scraps gets smacked here, someone comes along and posts a long, rambling rant or two about how terrible we all are.
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I believe Trixie Scraps is the culprit AND that it's pretty obvious why people sometimes have problems with her. She acts immature, has a victim thing goin' on and is very angry and bitter towards people who she perceives are hurting her business.
Maybe it's Royanna. She sees the world a whole lot differently.
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Too coherent to be Royanna.
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Not really enough pity party either
If it was Royanna, we would have had to sit through a reminder of how she was at death's door.
yep, changed my mind. Not Ra. Unless she's dropped her standard act.
She was posting on fb about how she was about to fill up "her" store. Not sure exactly where she meant.
I wouldn't discount the possibility that it is Royanna. The "food off the table" and "wrecking business" sure sounds familiar, and she claims she does have a disability (illness).
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It's not Royanna. There weren't any ellipses, no words in capitals and no mention of God.
I can go to SSD and everything there looks pretty much alike. It's the same stuff over and over. I used to buy a ton of stuff there but not anymore. There's no variety.
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I agree with this. EVERYTHING (except for Ru's stuff which I usually don't really like) DOES look the same. Go look at the Sneak Peeks for this week. All the same old stuff that I already have. I don't care for 90% of SO's stuff anymore and P@Co is WAY too expensive. TLP doesn't hold my interest AT ALL anymore either. Pickleberry Pop, here I come to look, however, I already know I do NOT care for JumpStart Designs. I just may be S.O.L!
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The reason I shop at places like SSD is BECAUSE everything is similar. My scrapping style doesn't change week to week, people. I like what I like. I buy there because one week I need a summer kit, and one week I need a farm/petting zoo kit, and one week I need a xmas kit, and one week I need...... you get the idea.
The reason places like that thrive is because they cater to a customer base who wants what they sell. In all different colors and themes, but similar products.
The reason I don't shop at SO, SBG, TDC, etc anymore is because I have to wade through too much crap that isn't my style to find the few gems. Too much work, and no thank you. My time is valuable.
I can't think of anyone physically disabled who designs for a top shop and print company. Anyone else?
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Zoe Pearn has a chip on her shoulder. Does that count?
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LMFAO I really did LOL IRL at this one. Cheers!
Zoe Pearn has a chip on her shoulder. Does that count?
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She may have a chip on her shoulder but she's one of the best designers in the industry today imo.
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She's also one of the biggest assholes behind the scenes. I love her work but I wish she would just go away and leave the rest of us alone sometimes.
I'm with 26. I want my albums to look cohesive, not scattered. I shop with a few of the same designers at SSD and have for years and that wont be changing unless one of them retires. I'm not looking for the most unique kit in the store. I'm looking for a cohesive kit I can scrap my pictures with.
I don't see how anyone scraps an album with majority of what is at SO or SBG.
I doubt that SBG & Deviant Scrap customers make traditional scrap albums. They make other things.
That wasn't really the point, 30, but if it makes you feel better to contribute...
I'm with 26. I want my albums to look cohesive, not scattered. I shop with a few of the same designers at SSD and have for years and that wont be changing unless one of them retires. I'm not looking for the most unique kit in the store. I'm looking for a cohesive kit I can scrap my pictures with.
I don't see how anyone scraps an album with majority of what is at SO or SBG.
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^^This
I agree with this. EVERYTHING (except for Ru's stuff which I usually don't really like) DOES look the same. Go look at the Sneak Peeks for this week. All the same old stuff that I already have. I don't care for 90% of SO's stuff anymore and P@Co is WAY too expensive. TLP doesn't hold my interest AT ALL anymore either. Pickleberry Pop, here I come to look, however, I already know I do NOT care for JumpStart Designs. I just may be S.O.L!
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I've heard people complain on this blog a number of times that PCO is too expensive but I just don't see it. I mainly shop there SSD and TLP. The prices seem consistent to me between those stores. Most normal kits at PCO are $6-10, averaging $8. The kits at SSD are $6.49-$8.99, with most being either $6.99 (individual designers) or $8.99 (collabs). Kits at TLP are usually $5.99-9.99, too, with most being $6.99 or $7.99. How is PCO different? I don't see it at all.
I don't see how anyone scraps an album with majority of what is at SO or SBG.
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To each their I own. While I can see the appeal of the same old same old, like SSD, for me it's boring. I never liked matchy matchy.
doubt that SBG & Deviant Scrap customers make traditional scrap albums. They make other things.
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That wasn't really the point, 30, but if it makes you feel better to contribute...
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Actually, #31, traditional albums was the point.
I doubt that SBG & Deviant Scrap customers make traditional scrap albums. They make other things.
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I do.
I want my albums to look cohesive, not scattered.
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I shop with different designers at different stores and my albums look cohesive, not scattered. *shrug*
've heard people complain on this blog a number of times that PCO is too expensive but I just don't see it.
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I have to say, I agree with you.
The reason SSD thrives is because they cater to a customer base who wants what they sell. In all different colors and themes, but similar products.
The reason I don't shop at SO, SBG, blah, blah
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And yet SO, SBG etc seem to thrive as well. It's a good thing not all customers want the same thing.
She may have a chip on her shoulder but she's one of the best designers in the industry today imo.
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how so? I'm honestly curious. I'm not anything special about her style that sets her apart.
I think Zoe USED TO be one of the best in the industry. But she doesn't do anything special anymore. Other people's skills have caught up, and meanwhile she's just releasing the same old shit all the time.
IMO the funniest part about her mediocrity now is that she knows it. Earlier this year, she started announcing that she was going to change up her style, start making more mature stuff, yada yada because she KNEW that her products were becoming tired and old. That lasted about two weeks. Meanwhile, she puts down other people all the time in an attempt to make herself believe that she is still the queenbee she once was.
I think P&CO's kit size is pretty small for the price. I also think the same of TLP for the most part.
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Meh, the size of a kit is not important, LOL. It's what's in it that counts. A big kit could just be filled with packing peanuts, what's the point of that? Quality over quantity every time.
43 just described every kit at SSD. If you take out all of the fluff that those designers put in there in order to say that they packed 80 elements into a kit, you have the 40 or so that TLP and other stores put into their kits. And they all have the same basic number of papers. IMO it's all the same, but the SSD designers have to make it look like their kit has more in it because the scrappers there are clustermaniacs.
SSD kits are 45% flowers.
Many scrappers scrap with flowers - paper and digi scrappers. They're not just for clustermaniacs. Scrappers who like those things are not going to find value in a kit half the size without the normal, standard things they reach for when they scrap. They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want.
It's not a judgement on a style of scrapbooking. It's just why some people find P&CO expensive and others don't.
Seems like Zoe isn't the only one with a chip on her shoulder around here.
.......and with 46's comment, we have the SSD peanut gallery in the house! I was wondering when they would show up and start defending their queen.
I am not the SSD peanut gallery. There are plenty of shops that sell traditional scrap supplies, I only sited the ones brought up in this discussion.
I was merely pointing out why some people find P&CO expensive. Do I really need to reference every single post # so people can stay on topic? It's just a few posts up!
anyone else catch wishing well creations newsletter announcement today?
yeah, any idea where she's moving too???
SBG?
can't you guess?
I don't get her newsletter. What did it say?
She's finally leaving TDC. About time. Isn't she guesting at Scrap Matters? Would she really move there?
A kit can be named after a book/song or movie title? Or it is a violation of copyright? I wouldn't use anything specifically from the book/movie/song itself, just would use it because the athmosphere, but I'm not sure that it's OK. What are your opinions?
My guess is Scrapmatters, because she's guesting there.
Seems like Zoe isn't the only one with a chip on her shoulder around here.
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Ironic.
They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want.
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There's a difference between not finding what you need and finding the same darn thing in almost every kit, that's what I mean with packing peanuts. It's not specific items, like flowers, ribbons etc, it's anything that is repeated, without change, ad nauseam.
They're going to look at P&CO and most things at TLP and find them small and overpriced because they're the same price as SSD, but with fewer of the things they want.
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Have you ever looked through the gallery at SSD and then looked through the gallery at PCO? It's pretty obvious to me that the majority of the scrappers at SSD are people who fill almost every inch of space with elements and clusters and things that draw more attention to the product than the photo, while the majority of the scrappers at PCO lean toward a white space simplistic style and let the photo take main stage. I'd say that TLP is half and half, with the OLB/Paislee/Sahlin-type customers on the simple side.
My point is that either way, the price of the kit being used is about the same, and the customers are making a page or two with the kit for the same cost. The difference to me is that at TLP and PCO the designers are making more of their own original items than the designers at SSD, who use a lot more CU on average. Before anyone throws up their arms in protest and gives me 100 examples of CU at TLP and PCO, I didn't say those designers don't use it. But I am saying that they use it less, and more creatively.
A kit can be named after a book/song or movie title? Or it is a violation of copyright? I wouldn't use anything specifically from the book/movie/song itself, just would use it because the athmosphere, but I'm not sure that it's OK. What are your opinions?
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LMGTFY.
* http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html
* http://www.unrulyguides.com/2010/09/trademarking-book-titles/
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Bingo!
59 just nailed it. Who cares how many elements you're getting in a kit if you don't NEED all of those elements? Most digital scrappers make a page or two with a kit, max. If someone buys at TLP for $8 and makes a page, and another person buys at SSD for $8 and makes a page, the cost is the same. Whether one kit has 100 elements and the other has 50 makes no difference at all. I get so sick of hearing people talk about how certain shops are too expensive but believe SSD is less expensive b/c the kits are jam-packed. They are really not, and I don't need jam-packed anyway.
I didn't say those designers don't use it. But I am saying that they use it less, and more creatively.
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Yeah, well, that's your opinion. I'm STILL not paying four bucks for six journal cards no matter how creative they are. You're wrong when you say scrappers at P @ Co don't use a lot of elements (as most people are when they generalize). They have their share of embellishment vomit just like everyone else. There's also lots of scrappers at SSD who do NOT use lots of elements. Please don't try to make a point by assuming everyone but you is uninformed and/or stupid.
Wishing Well isn't going to SM. My guess is SSD because she's so tight with so many of their designers and her kits fit in best there.
My guess is SSD
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Ditto.
Yeah, well, that's your opinion. I'm STILL not paying four bucks for six journal cards no matter how creative they are. You're wrong when you say scrappers at P @ Co don't use a lot of elements (as most people are when they generalize). They have their share of embellishment vomit just like everyone else. There's also lots of scrappers at SSD who do NOT use lots of elements. Please don't try to make a point by assuming everyone but you is uninformed and/or stupid.
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Why so angry? Nobody said anyone else was uninformed or stupid until you brought it up. I happen to think you're delusional, because just by looking at the main gallery page at both sites just now it's obvious to anyone that there are more simple pages at PCO. All it took was one glance to see that. SMH
ps the fact that you quoted the part about CU use even though you didn't really address it tells me that you're likely a SSD designer and it's that comment that got you good and bothered
For me, it's not so much cost as it is need. I make photo scrapbooks for friends and family all the time and need lots of variety in my kits. SSD is the only place I can ALWAYS find something no matter what theme or colors I need. I have really and truly tried to shop elsewhere and I just cannot find anything most of the time. Templates are another story. There are some great template designers out there and I shop all over the place for them.
it tells me that you're likely a SSD designer and it's that comment that got you good and bothered
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I couldn't design a button. Again, don't assume. I guess you didn't catch that the first time around.
Please don't try to make a point by assuming everyone but you is uninformed and/or stupid.
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Not the OP but it appears you are the one that is making that assumption. I see nothing in the OP's post to remotely suggest this.
I couldn't design a button. Again, don't assume. I guess you didn't catch that the first time around.
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Why did you take the time and effort to quote that part about CU, then? That part seems quite odd. But then your message was rather rambling and incoherent with regard to the rest of the conversation we're all having, so maybe it fits quite nicely after all.
But then your message was rather rambling and incoherent with regard to the rest of the conversation we're all having, so maybe it fits quite nicely after all.
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No the op but this isn't a sentence and it's quite rambling. I mean if you're going to critique someone's writing you should maybe proof your own.
Not the OP but it appears you are the one that is making that assumption. I see nothing in the OP's post to remotely suggest this.
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That's because you are the OP.
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No, I'm not. Did you assume that? Why, yes you did.
That's because you are the OP.
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Oh, it's you again.
When Pixels and Company first opened I was blown away by their prices. In fact, I remember commenting to my husband that I wondered if all those designers decided to start a new store together just so they could charge more for their products.
I also think that designers across the board have raised prices lately, so that now P&Co prices no longer stand out as being substantially higher. A year or so ago I would have said that an average kits cots about $5-6. Today it is more like $7-8. That could just be inflation.
Inflation or not, I still have the feeling that P&Co paved the way for higher prices in the last 6 months. But I don't actually have any numbers to compare. Would any designers like to say if they have raised their prices recently? And did P&Co prices have any influence on them?
I love flowers on my pages. I don't shop at SSD. Many kits have flowers that aren't at SSD. There is only one designer there that I'd walk across the street for a sale.
Is everyone forgetting how expenisve DHD was when all the P&CO designers were there? They are paper people, and they charge more, and their customers pay it. I do think they are expensive, but I am not a flat scrapper, so I wouldn't buy the kits anyway.
A year or so ago I would have said that an average kits cots about $5-6. Today it is more like $7-8. That could just be inflation.
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Hmm, I think it's been at the $7/$8 mark for around two years, which is why I stopped buying.
I love flowers on my pages. I don't shop at SSD. Many kits have flowers that aren't at SSD.
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It's not about flowers. Only one person mentioned flowers at SSD and I think they were only using that an as example.
i guess the wishing well creations will be joining SSD
i think p&co. her ct pages tend to be simpler and a lot more white space.
When Pixels and Company first opened I was blown away by their prices.
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Do you know what I think it is that makes them seem so much more expensive? They sell so many products as separates and add-ons and those items are all priced $4-6. Someone said earlier that they wouldn't pay $4 for 6 journal cards, and ITA. But then all of those items are part of full collections that are much more reasonable. You might find a paper pack for $4, and element pack for $4, a card pack for $4, and an alpha for $2-4. So then you can get all of those same items for just $10 if you buy the whole collection. When things first release, they are on sale, too, so the whole collection isn't any more expensive than a kit somewhere else. It took me a while to realize that it's not more expensive there unless you are dumb enough to buy the separates when they're not on sale. Besides, I shop the TLP BYOC each month and many of those items are priced the same as the separates at Pixels and Co and if you buy just 3-4 items at TLP you're spending just as much as you would at Pixels if not more.
re P&Co, but directed in response to post 82: But I don't *want* a collection. I hate Project Life/Pocket pages; I make my own alphas; I don't care for a bunch of WA that usually doesn't apply to my pages. So for me, all I need/want is a kit, which is made up of elements and papers. So to buy a "collection" of that other shit isn't a better deal for me. And you're right: buying the packs separately would be a dumb move because I'd be spending more for two packs (elements and papers), which is why I don't shop at P&Co. I just want a kit and I want to buy it as such. Not as papers and as elements. Not as a "collection." I get fed up with seeing a collection or a bundle and the words "Save when you buy the bundle!" It's not a savings if I don't want half (or more) of that stuff in the first place.
I get fed up with seeing a collection or a bundle and the words "Save when you buy the bundle!" It's not a savings if I don't want half (or more) of that stuff in the first place.
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I so agree with this! Normally, I simply want papers and embellishments done well at a decent price. I can do without alphas, journal cards, word art, etc. as I can make all that (and usually do to conform with my pages better).
83 and 84, they sell kits there too. Most of them are 7 or 8 bucks, I have bought them before. How exactly is that more expensive than SSD? Oh it's not. I have no idea what 82's point was (TL;DR) other than it seemed that they were saying that the shop isn't more expensive but if you look at it just in terms of what they charge for separates, it seems more expensive. But buy a kit or a collection, whatever gets you off, and it's the same.
But then all of those items are part of full collections that are much more reasonable. You might find a paper pack for $4, and element pack for $4, a card pack for $4, and an alpha for $2-4. So then you can get all of those same items for just $10 if you buy the whole collection.
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This adds up to $14-$16 for the whole collection, not $10. Even during their new release sale of 20% off it's $11.20-$12.80.
If you drop the journal cards. Then it becomes $10-$12 for the papers, elements, and alphas. During their new release sale it's now $8-9.60.
At SSD (just for example), most kits (that have papers, elements, and alphas) are between $7-9 normal price. During their new release sale they're $5.60-$7.20.
That is cheaper no matter how you slice it.
P&CO does sell kits. Some have the elements and papers, but no alphas for $7-8. Some have elements, papers, and alphas for $7-8. Some are $13. There are a lot of separates, though, and that really drives up the cost.
Maybe P&CO's problem is inconsistency whereas SSD is far more consistent with products and pricing.
If you bought them separately, they would be $14-$16, but if you buy the bundle, it's less. Get it?
Looking at this kit by Karla Dudley: http://pixelsandcompany.com/shop/Irresistible-bundle.html
21 papers, 6 alphas, 24 brushes, 12 washi, 12 flair, 12 journaling cards, and 42 stickers for $10, which means it was $7 when it first released.
^^BINGO!
People like 86 either won't ever 'get it' or else they're just the SSD cronies trying to boost their own sales. The truth is that the 3 shops that have been discussed in the past day or two are all comparable in price. TLP, SSD, and PCO charge more than many other digi shops by a dollar or two, on average. They SHOULD charge more, though, if you look at the quality of designers at each shop. They're worth more.
^^^^ now THAT is funny!!! worth more. HAHAHAHAHA!
fyi: wishing well is going to PCO.
As a designer, my kit pricing might not make sense at first glance. Two kits might be the same price, but one has alphas included and the other doesn't. If it includes an alpha, chances are there are more recolors or less complex papers.
Why is someone discussing SSD and PCO pricing an SSD cronie, but no one defending and discussing PCO's pricing a PCO designer or cronie looking to boost their own sales?
I don't get it.
91, because the person who was discussing the pricing was very obviously trying to say that SSD is priced lower. Read much? Here:
"At SSD (just for example), most kits (that have papers, elements, and alphas) are between $7-9 normal price. During their new release sale they're $5.60-$7.20.
That is cheaper no matter how you slice it."
All the while everyone else in this discussion so far seems to comprehend the concept that the shops are all priced about the same. That's why they're a SSD cronie. Do keep up.
Because a few of us were saying they are all equal in pricing/value, and then one person said no, SSD is lots better. If they are defending one, its easy to guess that they are with that store.
Oops! Yeah, what 92 said! ;)
89, how do you know that? I heard SSD but not from a reliable source. I'm hoping my source is correct b/c I shop there and hate having to go to TDC just for her kits.
Also I saw today that River Rose is leaving SM. I don't buy from her at all but I am more curious to know where she could be going that would be a step up. Anyone know?
I can't see River Rose anywhere else but SBG? That's my guess.
^^^^ now THAT is funny!!! worth more. HAHAHAHAHA!
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Yes 89, worth more. Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold. TLP SSD and PCO are the only stores I can think of that can boast that. Maybe Jessica Sprague too if you count that as a digi shop.
To me it doesn't really matter which designers, or even which stores, have the highest prices. I'll buy the products I love, and will just have to buy less if they cost more. I don't necessarily think that a higher priced product is higher quality.
But I do think prices have increased recently and I think that is interesting. I had discovered DHD just a little before all the designers left. I had purchased some of the free kits and dollar deals, but had not paid attention to the full prices, so I was not aware that DHD was on the expensive side even before those designers left the store.
I also think the idea that paper scrappers are more willing to pay more is interesting.
It was true at 2 Peas, too. I think paper scrappers are just used to having an expensive hobby.
95 - I don't know. I find it funny that someone can say something here and you take it as gospel. Strange place this is indeed.
How did 95 take anything as gospel? In fact the whole point of her post seemed to be that she did NOT trust what the OP said. This place is indeed strange but mostly because you make very little sense.
Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold. TLP SSD and PCO are the only stores I can think of that can boast that.
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Go ahead and name the five at each of those stores. However, as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place.
How did 95 take anything as gospel? In fact the whole point of her post seemed to be that she did NOT trust what the OP said.
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Yeah, this.
Go ahead and name the five at each of those stores. However, as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place.
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Your jealous rage is extremely entertaining.
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What jealousy?
Your limited thinking is not entertaining.
Go ahead and name me even one other shop that has 5 or more designers whose work has been picked up by paper companies and printed and sold.
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SBG and Designer Digitals, that's two.
Name the designers at SBG and Designer Digitals. Designer Digitals, other than Katie Pertiet?
I can only do TLP but Lili Niclass, Peppermint Granberg, Liz Tamanaha, and Nisa Fiin are all well-known paper designers.
Sorry 106, but if you were also 103 then I'd have to agree with the person who said you were acting jealous. Post 103 reeks of it in fact. Case in point:
"as some of the paper companies produce absolute crap, it's not that high a bar that they've been picked up in the first place."
The irony of your attempt to put others down in order to make yourself feel better is that if you happen to be someone who hasn't had her designs picked up then you just put yourself down even lower than people who "produce absolute crap" - which is your words, not mine. Moron.
Name the designers at SBG and Designer Digitals. Designer Digitals, other than Katie Pertiet?
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Um, Ali Edwards? Ever heard of her?
Um, Ali Edwards? Ever heard of her?
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LOL, this.
I think the original point here was that there are a lot of digi shops that can't charge as much as places like SSD TLP and PCO. The only reason those 3 shops are being focused on is because they were the ones that got accused of charging too much for products up above. But IMO there's something valid about the argument. Could GP or SBB or PBP ever get away with those prices? Doubtful. The original argument was that that first group of shops is able to charge more because of the designers they have. I'm sure that's actually true or else those shops wouldn't be charging those prices and obviously the prices are supported by the customers.
Has Ali designed anything for paper? She's a well-known scrapper, as is Cathy Zielske, but neither one has designed that I recall.
Never heard of Lili Niclass. What did she design? I think Peppermint has only done a couple of random papers for SC, right? Not exactly well-known, but I get your point.
Peppermint is designing for Gossamer Blue.
Ali has done stamp sets that are sold in the paper scrapping industry.
Lili is one of Becky Higgins' designers, as is Liz and Nisa.
The irony of your attempt to put others down in order to make yourself feel better is that if you happen to be someone who hasn't had her designs picked up then you just put yourself down even lower than people who "produce absolute crap" - which is your words, not mine. Moron.
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Hate to break it to you darling, but I have been picked up by paper companies. So, shove that in your pipe in smoke it. Moron.
Name the designers at SBG and Designer Digitals. Designer Digitals, other than Katie Pertiet?
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How about you start with naming the five each at TLP, SSD and P&Co. That's fifteen names.
I dunno, some of the paper companies do produce absolute crap.
Case in point
http://www.echoparkpaper.com/collections/
http://bazzillbasics.com/new-releases/
http://www.studiocalico.com/kits/marks-co-scrapbook-kit
and sadly this, from what used to be one of my favorite companies, their stuff has really gone down hill
http://www.basicgrey.com/scrapbook/shop/category/paper
Hate to break it to you darling, but I have been picked up by paper companies.
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Was it some of the paper companies that produce absolute crap?
How about you start with naming the five each at TLP, SSD and P&Co. That's fifteen names.
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15 names:
Lili Niclass
Peppermint Granberg
Liz Tamanaha
Nisa Fiin
Traci Reed
Zoe Pearn
Mari Koegelnberg
Nicole Seitler
Kristin Cronin Barrow
Audrey Neal
Celeste Knight
Deena Rutter
Gennifer Bursett
Robyn Meieroto
Karla Dudley
Your turn. Give me 15 names from SBG and DD. Oh all right, I'll be fair and make you give me 10 so that it's proportional. 10 names, please.
Was it some of the paper companies that produce absolute crap?
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I could lie to you, but I won't. Yes, one of the companies was producing absolute crap, which is how I know that bar isn't so high. And if the list #120 provided is accurate, I think I was producing along side some of those names. That's a real flea market mix there.
I feel like I've missed something: We're now equating "digital scrap designer Greatness" with "ability to be picked up by paper scrap companies"? That bothers me for two reasons. One, paper companies have different quality standards and Two, Paper trends are more static than digital. Digital changes much faster than paper because we can take a photo, extract it, (or design on our computer), and put it up for sale--all in the same day. Paper can't have that kind of turnaround.
My long point is, digital designer prowess/price point/coolness/whatever shouldn't be compared to paper designers. The digital designers who are picked up by paper lines aren't exactly cutting edge.
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If there was a like button.
They are cutting edge when the line is designed, but it takes months to produce.
But the biggest thing is reputation. No matter what some of you think, being able to say you did a paper line (or multiple) immediately adds credibility to you. Not to mention the pay. One paper line can easily get you $3-4K.
122 your point is solid, but I don't know if that's what anyone here was attempting to do. I can only speak for myself anyway, but my portions of this conversation stemmed wholly from people discussing price. Someone said - Shop A is too expensive. Someone else said - no it isn't, it's the same as Shop B and Shop C. Multiple people discussed the fact that Shops A, B & C are all more expensive than most other digital shops for the most part. Someone else said - that's because the quality of designer at those shops is higher. I happen to agree. It isn't to say that digital designers who get chosen to have paper lines created from their work are better. But let's be truthful and cut the bullshit here: if a quarter of your shop is being published, it means that there's a mass appeal for what's being made. It does equate to supply and demand - the more people that want something, the more the designer(s) can charge. Plain and simple.
The irony of your attempt to put others down in order to make yourself feel better (snip, snip). Moron.
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Ironic, don't you think?
The assumption being made is that most customers are aware that designers are designing a paper line or working with a paper company in some capacity. I, for one, wasn't nor do I gave a damn that they do. I don't shop paper, I only shop digital and pay accordingly. I'd pay top dollar for very few of the names on #120's list. The rest are average and, again, I would only pay accordingly. I understand about mass appeal but you know, there's a mass appeal for McDonald's but I wouldn't pay those prices.
No 127, that assumption is NOT being made. I'm not saying that customers know someone designs for paper and that it makes them want to buy that person's products that much more. I'm saying that when a designer is good and makes things that hoards of people want to buy - then 1) she gets to charge more because she CAN and 2) the paper companies tend to find that person, because she's good. Your mind is putting the cart before the horse instead of the other way around.
Yeah, but how many people transition from paper to digital each year? They *do* recognize those names, and pay accordingly.
Ironic, don't you think?
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Not really. Nice contribution to what is otherwise a really interesting discussion, though. *eyeroll*
Chill out everyone. Nobody's saying that you can't be an amazing and talented and successful digi designer if you haven't gotten a paper deal. We were just speculating as to why certain stores are able to charge higher prices than other stores, and the percentage-of-paper-designers-in-that-store idea was thrown out there as a theory. It doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of great designers who don't design for both. There are and we all know this. Chill.Out.Now. Don't take this all personally b/c it is not about you.
Not really. Nice contribution to what is otherwise a really interesting discussion, though. *eyeroll*
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Again, ironic.
What 125 said.
Again, ironic.
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Again, nice contribution.
Should we do this all day?
Chill out everyone
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Nobody is in need of chilling.
Again, nice contribution.
Should we do this all day?
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And what have you contributed? Yeah, I could do this all day but I'm bored with you.
I'm saying that when a designer is good and makes things that hoards of people want to buy
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What hoards? The paper scrapbook industry is in a decline. All you have to do is go into Target, Michaels etc. and see how small their scrap supply areas are now, compared to even a year ago.
I'm not so sure that designing for a paper company these days is quite the kudos it was two or three years ago.
Nobody is in need of chilling.
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Actually a few people are.
Chill.Out.Now. Don't take this all personally b/c it is not about you.
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I assume we're all adults here. That being the case, I resent someone telling adults to "chill out now" when there's an ongoing discussion. If the discussion is getting too heated for YOU, then maybe you need to take a hike.
Nobody is in need of chilling.
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Actually a few people are.
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Not your call or anyone else's.
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Ditto this.
One paper line can easily get you $3-4K.
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I don't think so, not these days.
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142 you have no idea what you're talking about. That's definitely the right ballpark if you are designing for the right company.
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Keywords being the 'right company', which means it's not 'easily'. Getting into the right company wouldn't be that easy.
you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Of course not, only you would know that.
Keywords being the 'right company', which means it's not 'easily'. Getting into the right company wouldn't be that easy.
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It's easy if you have talent and an eye for design. The company will often contact you, if that's the case.
That's definitely the right ballpark if you are designing for the right company.
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Not in a declining market it isn't.
FFS 148, so you're saying that my paychecks are fake? Idiot.
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If you don't disclose the fact that you are talking about your own experiences, how the fuck am I supposed to know? Not to mention that just because you are being paid that, if you are in fact being paid that, doesn't mean it's true for everyone and therefore not 'easily'. You are clearly the idiot.
I'm the one who originally posted $3-$4K (but not 149), so you know there are at least two of us making that. I really wish that people didn't automatically discount everything they read here as false. Some of us are legit!
151 - People still don't believe there are designers who make over $1000/month selling digi kits. Why would they believe you make $3-4k for paper? I believe it, but I also know some designers make a good living.
I made almost $1K my very first month. Top tier stores are top tier for a reason.
150 - I'm almost without words. You're saying that after multiple people had already said that someone can make $3-4K per paper line you felt the need to tell everyone else that it was a lie because I hadn't yet told you I was talking about my own experiences? What the hell did you think we were all talking about?
Ohhhhhh wait I get it - because you were talking out your ass, you assumed that everyone else was doing the same right? I think it's unbelievable that you were even a part of this discussion, as you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and probably no experience in the field.
I'm new here. WTH does CU mean?
For those of you designing for paper companies (ie. make $3-4K per paper line), is this amount just for the papers you design, or does this also include various elements, ribbons, stickers etc...? Do you ever work with a 2nd designer if one person is strong at papers & the other is strong at elements? Thanks in advance :)
ps. Congrats on your paper lines - it must be pretty exciting to see your work printed on scrapbooking products in real life!
CU - stands for "commercial use" (re: the terms of use for the products you buy)
156: It depends on the company. Some will pay you a flat fee (in my experience, that's to design something exclusively for them) and others will pick up an existing digital line (either as-is, or to build on it) and pay you a % of the sales. Obviously the bigger the paper line, the more it sells, and then the more you make. Additionally, if it gets placed into a big box store you make a commission off of that as well, although it's generally a smaller percentage. Same goes if it is turned into a fabric line... You could be getting paid four times for one design (digital, paper, big box, fabric) which makes it even more lucrative.
If it's a flat fee, they will usually say X papers, Y tags, Z stickers, etc., and that's included in the price. If it's a commission, they will still probably art direct you (ask for X papers, Y tags, Z stickers) but your pay rate is still just a percentage of sales.
Elements in paper are a completely different thing than they are in paper. I actually struggle a bit when I first start a paper line after doing digital (or vice versa) because I have to force myself to think flat instead of adding shadows.
I think the ones who get picked up by paper companies the most ARE the strong paper designers, which is why the list 120 gave doesn't necessarily equate to the most popular digital kit designers.
I do know people who have designed paper lines together, but I haven't personally.
P.S. Thanks! It is. :)
I'm almost without words. You're saying that after multiple people h
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What multiple people?
because you were talking out your ass,
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Are you talking about yourself? I think you are! Smoochies!!!
as you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and probably no experience in the field.
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Of course not! Only you would know that!! Because you are the fucking genius the blog and know everything!!!!!!
it must be pretty exciting to see your work printed on scrapbooking products in real life
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No, it's not. It can make you realize just how freaking awful some of your designs are, that others apparently see as fantastic. It's embarrassing.
because you were talking out your ass, you assumed that everyone else was doing the same right? I
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Only you are talking out of your ass, Shirley. As always!!!!!
I made almost $1K my very first month. Top tier stores are top tier for a reason.
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Whatever, I made that much in a non top tier store. So ...
I assume we're all adults here
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Nope. We are not.
Oh my gosh! BLATANT!
http://www.etsy.com/au/listing/123845381/instant-download-spiderman-themed
I sell in a middle tier store and win 150$ / mo...
159-165: Go irritate people somewhere else.
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I'm seeing a lot of layouts without pictures. Of course it's in a facebook group that only allows layouts, no previews or adds. Just wondering if this is a new trend for CTs.
which are the FB groups "worth" following? I know digital scrapbooking gallery.
Hey 161 this post is for you. BTW you're not funny and most of us would very likely hate you IRL.
digital scrabooking gallery is the one to which I was refering. There are a ton of other ones for adds. Some are mainly taggers.
LOL at 172's title
166 that shoppe should just be shut down. Holy copyright/trademark violations Batman!
170 - Layouts without photos have been around a long time.
of course they have. I've done a few myself. There are just a ton of them on this group that doesn't allow previews or adds.
Maybe because they're layouts?......... don't see your point at all, 177.
Ephesians 4:29 ESV Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Well, go look at the group. maybe then you'll see a trend
Someone posts a layout without a photo in a group for layouts. If you have a point, 180, make it. Who cares if there are 10 or 1 in there. A layout is a layout in a group for....... layouts.
I'm assuming that her point is that she feels that they are to some extent posting a kit preview but calling it a LO. I could see some doing that but I'd have to see these LOs in order to say that's the case because as pp's have mentioned there are lots of people who make LOs without photos that are truly LOs and not intended for purely advertising purposes.
exactly #182, thank you!! https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/digitalscrapbookinggallery/
if anybody wants to go look, though now that I have gone and looked there aren't that many of them. Facebook can be strange as to what it actually shows you in your newsfeed. Guess it thinks it should only show me the ones without pics!
You really couldn't find the words to say you thought a layout without a photo seemed like an ad? You really need to get out more, 183. Really.
I've seen a few people in that group violate the rules by posting ads/previews, but very infrequently. I've never once looked at a photoless layout and ever thought it was anything less than a layout. Not once.
Technically, MOST of the layouts in that group, even the ones with pictures, ARE ads. Since they're almost all CT work.
Thought my original post did say that, #184. Guess I was too subtle. And I would love to get out more, though the dogs haven't liked how much I was gone earlier this week.
186, that's just a weird post. I worry about you.
You really couldn't find the words to say you thought a layout without a photo seemed like an ad? You really need to get out more, 183. Really.
I've seen a few people in that group violate the rules by posting ads/previews, but very infrequently. I've never once looked at a photoless layout and ever thought it was anything less than a layout. Not once.
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Tracey Monette posted a ton of product ads in that gallery a week or two ago. Etc. By Danyale used to do it too. I don't believe at all that either of them didn't know the point of the gallery or the rules.
Thanks #187, I worry about me, too. I knew I had problems with speech as a result of my stoke. Apparently it extends to the written word, too.
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