Maybe it is to hard for some people to credit. I don't agree with not crediting though. You didn't make it yourself. Don't claim it as your own. Credit who made it.
Wow #130. Normally I take things with a grain of salt here but this time it was like salt was poured in my wounds. Maybe my stuff is not your taste. But my designs are not bad. I'm designing and selling as a hobby to have something positive and fun to do in my life after a very devastating loss at the first of the year. Seriously, this place is a smack blog but damn it people have feelings and some don't come here just to talk smack. Days like today I just wonder why the hell I bother trying to fit in and have fun in this most un-fucking-friendly world of digi-scrapping.
^^ Well said! I was the one that pointed out that her post was mean because I had a pretty good idea of who she was referring to and I for one was happy to see you jumping into designing again after the awful tragedy that struck your family. Keep doing what your doing and ignore the haters here on this blog.
1 - If you are talking about http://rbldesignz.com/ , take a look at that versus SO or A5D, yours just looks -- amateur-ish. Not professional. If that's the look you're going for, great. If not - explore options for a redesign and reevaluate your designers as well.
Some people don't understand that words hurt and can cause deep pain. Stop being such a bully! Think before you speak/type because you can't take it back.
#2, thank you, like I said I normally wouldn't even post but this seriously really opened my wounds today. If it burns my digi-bridges that I posted on a smack blog oh well. I will probably be labeled unstable, crazy, who knows. I know 99.9% of the people who actually post here are mean. What hurts is knowing that most likely whoever posted what hurt me is someone I've interacted with before.
#3 - She's referring to this comment. ----------------------------------- there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in.
First of all, just found this blog. I'm a new designer and actually find this place to be revealing and insightful seeing how I'm new to the "designer" aspect of the digi-world. I'm curious for those of you "in the know" what kind of recommendations or advice would YOU give to newbie designers that want to make a place for themselves, even if they are starting out in one of these "hideous" or "disaster" type of stores? I notice a lot of those mentioned (some more recently than others) really spread themselves thin or try to put themselves in every store. Some of them even take over what stores they feel they can without improving their own.
I honestly feel lost and hopeless after reading this blog, lol. Apparently I have no idea what decent stores are. :) (This is a new poster, and not meant to be sarcastic.)
#8 First let me say I am so sorry you ever found this blog. It is like a car wreck you just can't help yourself from looking at. Personally, I would keep it to 1 or 2 shops. Make your previews look as nice as possible and be sure to shadow your previews so they aren't flat. Advertise as much as possible. Use Facebook to create a fan page. Use Twitter. Have a blog and update it regularly, offer a freebie and host it on your own domain. Use a quality control action. Have fun and please, don't read here.
If you've read this blog (as you stated), there has been plenty of advice thrown around for newbies. I'm not sure what of that advice didn't do it for you...
there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in. May 20, 2012 12:25:00 PM
For those of us who don't have access to that forum... who is she talking about?
#9, Thanks but I'm a big girl and know the difference between constructive criticism and personal opinion so I'm not worried about people being bitchy and downright opinionated, no offense guys! I participate on many "Mama pages" on FB that are worse or even simply idiotic. ;) Thanks for the tips though, will be sure to keep those in mind! I also have or started to have many of them implemented already.
What I am worried about is the store I sell at is one of the hideous ones that might hinder me from reaching my potential!
I originally started in more than one store, but the other one seemed to be in the process of switching owners and went completely quiet in less than a month of being there.
#13, Please refer to #8 where I first introduced myself. I didn't say I couldn't tell, it's a "New" store and I'm fairly new to the digi-scrap world so forgive me if I'm not in the know of who's the top tiers...I know I wouldn't qualify to work in one of them Yet.
As for being one of the hideous stores...I simply stated that as it was discussed being such, not that I considered it to be.
I'm aware this is a smack blog but people don't learn if they aren't aware, so perhaps that is part of my "problem". I wasn't aware being tactful isn't allowed here.
#15 - Forgive me if I don't follow every anonymous post and weave together who is who. Next time I'll get out my notepad and follow the way you type so I can figure out who you are. *eye roll*
In your #12 post, you stated, "What I am worried about is the store I sell at is one of the hideous ones that might hinder me from reaching my potential!"
I don't know, I guess I thought that sentence meant you were worried that you were in a hideous store... silly me.
If you don't consider it to be hideous, wtf are you worried about?
Sorry I wasn't aware someone pissed in your cheerios this morning LOL.
It's called being aware of my surroundings and future business, if I'm working for a shady owner or even store for that matter...I'd like to know about it, wouldn't you? If CT members are constantly complaining about a store or designers selling at a store, wouldn't that hinder sales for other potential designers?
I was trying to be tactful and didn't attack you. I was merely clarifying my statement, forgive me if you felt it was a direct assault. I assure you, it wasn't. I'm new to this blog, not the internet so I can be a bitch for no reason too...but what's the point? ;) <3
I bought it. It is now mine. I own it. To require me to credit you is really absurd and seems unique to digiland. If I buy craft supplies and use them to make something and then post it in a gallery I do not need to credit the company I bought it from.
Maybe because it is likely understood that you didn't CREATE the plastic button or the ribbon you used in paper/craft project, while in digi, who knows who made/drew/extracted that button? I dunno. Maybe that is the difference?
Sweet Berry Scraps is hideous Scrappity Doo Dah is getting there very fast Wilma 4 Ever is downright nasty Funky Playground is pathetic The Boomerang (Hummie's World) is very bad With Love Studio stay away from
Wow. Just found this blog. I'm sorry but I don't understand the need to be so snarky. I guess it makes y'all feel good or something. I'll just go look the other way from all the ugly and leave you guys to your own little snake pit.
Please stop saying bullying. Just because you don't like an opinion, it doesn't make it bullying. Not the OP but I'm sick to death of people using the word bullying when it's not bullying, it undermines real bullying.
#33- If someone has to hide under an anonymous name and smack people then yes it is bullying. #34- You have never posted a mean comment here ever then?
I think the issue is that the designer would like to be credited so that the one posting it does not claim it as their own. Which many do that.
The other thing too, it doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks the work is not good enough to extract.... SOMEONE will always try to get something for free and even try to sell it to get money. Which is not right. So it is just to protect what they have created. You would want the same thing too. So let's be fair.
I'm amazed the people on this blog didn't take a moment to actually smack a store they consider hideous or that they don't like. ---
My list would include some of the so called top tier stores, so what's the point? I don't smack just because. What I find strange is that you made this statement and didn't contribute anything either.
Maybe because it is likely understood that you didn't CREATE the plastic button or the ribbon you used in paper/craft project, while in digi, who knows who made/drew/extracted that button? I dunno. Maybe that is the difference? -------
Spot on and I'm amazed that people don't understand this.
If someone has to hide under an anonymous name and smack people then yes it is bullying. -------
Did I talk about smacking? No, I said an opinion someone didn't like.
Someone saying that a designer needs to reevaluate her design skills because her designs are not very good is not bullying - see post #3 and then the reply #4.
Maybe not. But a lot of what is said here, if said non-anonymously would be viewed as bullying. You never know if what is said here is from one person or twenty.
#19 - you are incorrect...just because you bought it, does not mean you OWN it or can do whatever you want with it. the designer retains all rights to the product. you just paid to use it. you still have to abide by the designer's terms of use...if they require credit, give them credit.
If a designer extracts a button or any craft item don't they have to credit where the button/item came from? They didn't actually make the button. I'm not a designer so I have often wondered how one would credit something they may not remember where it came from. Or do they just not have to credit at all because they bought it.
#45 then we shouldn't be "buying" a kit, we should be buying the license to the use the kit. ------------------ From what I understand, that is exactly what we do when we "buy a kit".
When you buy the kit you buy a PERSONAL use license most of the time, unless it states otherwise. That means you can not make money off of using that kit. You can not use it to scrapbook for other people and them pay you for it.... unless the license allows that.
The designer is agreeing to sell it under certain terms, and when you buy it, you agree to those terms.
That is just the way this digi land works. There are so many designers out there, that it is just nice to note where you got the items from that are in your layout. Unless you don;t want to share your sources.... which is weird.
I upload to my flickr all layouts in full resolution otherwise whats the point of using it as a back up in case of EHD failure etc. I pay a premium to allow me the space. I do NOT note credits and will not. Its my personal account and I dont see why I should have to protect your products just because I used them. When I post to a gallery then I post credits as I view that as a show room for your products. I think a designer requesting me to remove or reload at 72 dpi and 600 x 600 is beyond the boundaries and I would politely tell her to fuck off!! never to purchase from her again....
#52 I hadnt thought about the back up issue, if something happened to my lappie I would by desolute but at least I would have them available for print from flickr. My art is my own, yes I used designer products but what I produce is from my creativity so where I choose to store it off line is nobodys business,.
And the point being?? I should only store it offline? I have a flickr account as I live in another country to my family and friends. This allows me to obtain their photos to use in my layouts for books that I print. And vice versa.
#51 - Yes, but that is if the license you buy with your kit is S4H ok. I know I do not allow S4H with my kits. If they want to make money off of my kits, they can buy a CU license. PU is just that PERSONAL use.
#57 Hum, if you say you can choose to store your work off line anywhere you want, well, Flickr is not off line, so you are contradicting yourself, no?
No what I saying was that I choose to have it online for reasons stated. I did make a error typing and so should read.... "so where I choose to store it on line is nobodys business,. so my bad!!
^^^ She's the biggest flake if I ever saw one. Owned a store that I think was called Sunflower Scraps which went bust. Owns berry sweet scraps which Ive never visited due to seeing who was opening it and has just acquired MSS
You're a fucking idiot. That's the same kind of bullshit excuse pirates use. "I bought it so I can do whatever I want with it and if you didn't want it given away or used without proper license or credit then you shouldn't have put it online". You're an idiot.
You are purchasing a LICENSE to use the product for PERSONAL USE. DUH. FUCKING DUH! I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of these bitches who think they can do whatever they want with whatever they want just because they think they OWN something they didn't create in the first place. MORON.
You want to store it online. Then purchase online storage. FLICKR IS NOT ONLINE STORAGE. And if you're too fucking cheap to do that, then fucking keep it on an ehd or a flash drive or some other OFFLINE storage.
Sorry for really going off there but I'm so sick of this argument. If you purchase a kit that requires you to provide credits when uploading your layout to a site then DO IT. Otherwise purchase from somewhere or someone else, but a designer has EVERY right to dictate how her products are used. SO put on your big girl panties and suck it up.
Rofl, I'm the one who originally posted the link to the DST thread.
I'm a little bit of an addict. I spend hundreds of dollars a week on scrapping (though I have started to become more fussy I see cute and I neeeed it!)
And guess what? I credit. Down to the last button. Why? Because I like it when others do because it helps me find things I like.
I have 2 external harddrives and pay the monthly fee for online backup. So to call me an idiot and make all those stupid assumptions is a little silly.
My issue is the jumping up and down designers do over credit. I have NEVER seen the obsession with credit that I see in the digiscrap world. I'm sorry but using something in a layout and uploading that layout fullsize is NOT the same as sharing the kit. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it is.
You need to calm down. All your pathetic names etc and swearing doesn't make you more worthwhile to listen to. It makes you look like a child.
While we're on the subject of pirates, do you know how many designers I have seen link to pirated stuff to moan about it? Like seriously, how dumb do you have to be? You can moan a site is sharing your stuff but linking to it is the dumbest move I have ever seen.
#69 wow, a tirade even... " You are purchasing a LICENSE to use the product for PERSONAL USE. DUH. FUCKING DUH! I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of these bitches who think they can do whatever they want with whatever they want just because they think they OWN something they didn't create in the first place. MORON."
please explain? - if I create a layout and upload to my personal flickr account how that is not PERSONAL use? its not for sale, no one is paying to view it... if you dont want your products used for layouts then DONT SELL them ...DUH. simple....
I'm not anyone who have posted above but I read the arguments from both sides and can't help wondering, #72, are you conveniently ignoring the TOU of the kit(s)?
You are right in saying that creating your own layout is personal use. But if you are posting in a public place (even though it's your personal flikr account, if it's not set to private, other people can still have access to it and that makes it public), shouldn't you follow the TOU? If the TOU requires credit, then yes I think you should.
It's your right to not purchase from the designer anymore if you're not satisfied with the TOU, but it's also the designer's right to ask that you follow the letter of the the TOU. And it's not that designers are asking people not to post layouts in their personal space or anything. They only ask to put low-res pics in public. (Low-res or 72 dpi is perfectly fine and clear for web viewing.) You can still have a private album where you put all your hi-res pics in and avoid this dilemma. That's how I see it.
My issue is the jumping up and down designers do over credit. I have NEVER seen the obsession with credit that I see in the digiscrap world. I'm sorry but using something in a layout and uploading that layout fullsize is NOT the same as sharing the kit. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it is.
Actually if you want to be published in a Scrap/Craft magazine like Somerset, Scrapbooks Etc. they require credit of everything you used in your LO be it Digital or from a company on non-digital LOs.
As a designer, I get a little tired of the credit police and now the "storage police." I guess if these are things that matter to you, it's good to choose the items you purchase. I personally don't care if someone wants to load their flattened layouts to a private Flickr account. And I never require credits - it's nice if someone wants to do it, but I think it would be arrogant of me to require it. JMO.
#22 If I use a designers fabric and upload a picture of it to Flickr, I'm not expected to credit the designer. If I use a knitting pattern, I'm not expected to credit the pattern maker either. Crediting patterns, ideas, etc is totally unique to digital scrapbooking.
I guess because only in digiscrap can you load up a TOU doc in your zip.
And it's dumb and goes too far. Credit if you want to but it shouldn't be a requirement.
Actually if you go to most Craft communities (say like DST for crafts) they DO require you to credit a pattern maker in the gallery or post you put a picture in. You are not allowed to sell products made from most patterns either, since you are not the owner of the pattern itself. (Sound familiar?) You're not allowed to sell items made from say, Amy Brown Fabric because it's a copywritten style of fabric/pattern on the fabric.
So, no it's not unique to just "digital scrapbooking" community, most people just are too self involved to research what they are doing first.
Fabric makers have their own TOU. You can't sell items made with a designers fabric commercially. If you want to be seen as someone with integrity you give credit in any industry.
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into.
To the person who keeps trying to redirect traffic from this blog over to her new nicer version of the smack blog, OMG give it up. You have 16 comments after the blog has been active for a few weeks. It ain't gonna happen, sweetheart.
Re: Gotta Pixel has a quota of $200 per month...SM used to have that same quota, not sure if they still do after the fiasco there. SBG has a quota, but not sure of the exact amount. Places like TDC have a 'low end' quota. If you sell less than $50 in a pay period, or maybe its a month, I don't really remember - then you pay a $5 server fee. ------ This is actually totally false. It just goes to show you how much from a smack blog you can trust when you read it. = zero.
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into. -------------------------- Totally true, but is it possible for the site to be innocent of it's founder? The current site owners should have pursued a digi-business elsewhere for sure, but is the whole site stained because of the person who originated it?
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into. -------------------------- Totally true, but is it possible for the site to be innocent of it's founder? The current site owners should have pursued a digi-business elsewhere for sure, but is the whole site stained because of the person who originated it?
------------- Is it totally true? Where is the proof of piracy? Why hold the new owners accountable for the old owners insanity?
#87- I'm not sure why new owners would be held accountable for a past owners issues. They aren't the same people. Sadly, that stuff just happens and it doesn't make it right. Who are the new owners of WLS?
Is it totally true? Where is the proof of piracy? Why hold the new owners accountable for the old owners insanity? ------------------------------------------ Proof was actually presented at one time with the original owner. I don't know where to go to find it now though, but I did see some of it at one point. It is very old news now though and digi-land has moved on!
#94 exactly. Yet the sweet person who did keeps coming here asking you to add a link to the side of this blog so the non-tainted people can find their way there. So sad and desperate. Reeks to me of someone who read here a few weeks ago that there is a chance that the site owner can see the IPs of who is posting here (something that is definitely the case when people post on WP sites), and now they want to run the smack site so they have control over the info. Ridiculous.
#95 Where did you learn that the owner of the other blog keeps coming here asking to add a link? I didn't see the post anywhere. Or was it deleted? Just curious.
#98 - There were only two references to the other blog. 1 was where the disgruntled person said she had set one up and 2 was where she asked for a link to be put there from here. Hardly "keeps coming here asking" but frankly, who cares. No one is going there anyway.
#19 - you are incorrect...just because you bought it, does not mean you OWN it or can do whatever you want with it. the designer retains all rights to the product. you just paid to use it. you still have to abide by the designer's terms of use...if they require credit, give them credit. _________________________________________________
Ok not the person you addressed this to but I saw the thread and looked at the layout. The bird in the upper right hand corner is CU that the designer used (from Oopsi's CU Fairytale Mix - I'm unclear whether she still sells but I have that pack.). Not sure what else is CU but it all just begs the question: How can designers claim a copyright on someone else's CU (not even bothering to make a derivative item at that) and then spell out those restrictive TOUs - such as having to credit, you can't post here or there, you can't upload full resolution, etc. The designers aren't giving credit to the CU designer at all so why does the scrapper have to credit?
#99 Thanks. That's what I thought. I was thinking it's strange that it's even brought up because nobody was paying much attention to it anyway. It doesn't hurt anyone that the other blog exists, though. Why bother smacking it?
Alyssa is still selling at WLS and as long as she's involved, you should stay far, far away. I couldn't care less about what she does with digital kits, but I can't think of a less trustworthy person to be in charge of handling money or personal information, like addresses.
Wasn't Alyssa one who has deleted store content at one point in the past? Hard to know how the store is currently set up or if she has that much access to it either. I probably would stay away from this "designer", wherever she sells. Not the best idea to be sitting beside someone with such a history.
#102- Just because she sells there doesn't mean she has access to the money. If she does then the new store owners are really dumb. #103- Yes, it was at FPD, i think.
I think (s)he requested a link twice, but I'm not certain. Regardless, the IP thing is true... my "real" blog is WP, and I can see all the IP addresses of anyone who posts.
I intentionally did this one through Blogger for that reason. I don't want to know who's posting here, and I don't want to be affiliated in any way with a blog where it's not anonymous. So, no link.
To the person who keeps trying to redirect traffic from this blog over to her new nicer version of the smack blog, OMG give it up. Y -----
I saw TWO attempts, how is that keeps trying? Maybe I missed some others, but I only saw two. Maybe that's how much I care, maybe you care too much. Who knows? Who care? Oh, you do. Sorry.
o sad and desperate. Reeks to me of someone who read here a few weeks ago that there is a chance that the site owner can see the IPs of who is posting here (something that is definitely the case when people post on WP sites), and now they want to run the smack site so they have control over the info. Ridiculous. ------
She may be sad and desperate but you sound paranoid and unstable. They want to run a blog to have control over the info? Wow, just wow.
A suggestion for everyone who wants their designs credited ----> why don't you label your kit contents properly with your name so it's easier to identify?
How are people to know who's button or paper it is if you only use 2 or 3 initials (SE, DB, ABC, XYZ) to label it?? Or worse, when you don't even put your name on it at all (ie. button1, button2)??? (For the record, I just made up those initials as an example, they are not anyone specific).
If you are too lazy to properly identify your name on each digital item sold, why should anybody else care?? Think about it.
#100 - if you read the TOU that comes along with your purchased kit, the designer "should" be crediting her cu resources used too. so it really can go either way i suppose. i am not arguing your point, but as a designer, i always credit my resources, and as a scrapper, i always credit the designer. i think it's just a polite thing to do. i know if i saw an awesome layout with really cool elements, i would probably want to know who made the original kit...and then i would probably go buy it!
I wonder how many designers really credit every item in her kit to the CU designer they purchased it from? I also wonder if every CU designer can legitimately claim a button because they took a photo of it and extracted it? Should they credit where they got the button? I really dont think if you are posting your pages to your own personal site that you should have to credit. If I post a craft project on my blog or facebook that I created I dont feel it necessary to credit every paint, brush, tool I used to create it. all that being said if you purchase from someone who requires it then you should credit.
#116- Well FB isn't your own personal site. You can make your page private but it's not the same thing. By craft project, do you mean a hybrid or with crafts you buy in a craft store? I think it would be hard to remember where you got ever piece of items used.
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Why don't designers have to credit the CU they use to make things, you ask? Because most CU designers don't require it. Most explicitly sell it to you under the phrase "no credit required" or "credit not required, but appreciated" meaning that it's up to the designer to decide if they want to credit. If CU designers wanted to be credited, they'd say so in their terms. So don't cry for them, they're fine.
As for people using PU kits to do whatever they want? If you're going to make photo books for yourself and your family, you get to do what you want with a kit. If you're going to post anything publicly or online, or submit to magazines for any reason, then you have to follow the kit designer's terms. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS. You buy the product which means buying the right to use it (it's a license), and if you just use it for you, that's one thing. But the second you make your work public, you have to follow the terms because that's what you agreed to when you purchased the license.
So if you don't want to credit in galleries? Don't post in galleries, you twits. Otherwise, you are bound to follow the terms and stop whining about it on this blog. Good bloody hell, whiny babies.
For the people who are complaining about initials on filenames ... it's not laziness ... the reason that is the naming convention is that many programs crash with really long file names. Having a file called ReallyGreatDesigner_AwesomeKit_RedStripedPaper coudl cause problems for lots of folks. That is why the industry standard moved to abbreviations, and so 'properly' (as you put it) naming that file would be RGD_AwesomeKit_RedStripedPaper or similar.
(I do agree it's frustrating when all you get is 'paper1' or 'element1')
Quite a few don't. The ones who do, are doing it right, the ones who don't, aren't. And before anyone says - don't buy from those designers - what a moronic argument.
I have purchased a store that was going to close and i didn't want to see such a wonderful Store close ,It has such wonderful Designers and CT and members and huge Gallery and And great Blog so i purchased it,but it is a xcart based store and i was wondering if anyone out there knows how to run one willing to teach me the ropes of the backend? I am so lost i am use to zencart backend
Just an observation but, those of you whining about crediting designers could have credited a whole page worth of layouts in your gallery in the amount of time you have spent bitching here. So all you are doing is re-enforcing your laziness. And it is sad we have spent 100+ posts talking about something so trivial.
That must have been a pretty expensive store to purchase. Afterall, isn't xcart expensive in the first place? And if it has a gallery, plus the domain, and so on, it seems like a big purchase without much reseach beforehand.
RE: MSS - all the designers with other options are bailing (or were already which is a big reason why it was going to close in the first place) I sure hope any designers left there are trying hard to find a new store - they'd be crazy to depend on that whack job Charly. I don't know which is worse - dealing with totally absent Jac who expected the store to run on it's own or Charly fumbling around.
MSS should have just stuck to being a gallery and inspiration site w/ a blog, like a baby Daily Digi, and kept doing their "this week we love" feature. It was the only reason I ever visited their site. Once they stopped that feature I stopped going there, plain and simple.
I was wondering what's up with Oscraps. They don't seem to release alot lately. I used to shop there all the time but now it's very rare that I do. The releases seem to be very sparse.
I have had a few interactions with Charly as a designer and in forums. Her design style may not match my scrapping sytle, but she is really nice. I hope she finds a niche in this industry, and I hope she does well at MSS. Charly I hope you stay away from this place, but if you do come here and read this unprofessional banter I hope you know that not everyone shares the same opinion.
OK, here is a change of subject. Does anyone else get frustrated when they open up a zip and the elements in the zip are super small.... or at least smaller then you would like?
I just did that. Designers think that because that is the size they would normally be on a page in traditional scrapbooking, then that is the size we would all like. But I like to have bigger ones and be able to shrink them.
#146- YES! That and they are small and blurry. I hate that. I like the option of resizing from bigger to smaller. Trying to resize from smaller to bigger is terrible.
#147, that's because you are never supposed to resize bigger if you plan to print anything you make. Never. When something is created at a certain size in 300dpi, it can't be increased in size or it will look grainy and pixeled when used or printed at 300dpi. I simply cannot understand why people can't accept this. Don't ever increase the size of anything you use in a kit, ever. Period. Unless you will only ever use web-resolution copies of your pages, your pages will look awful when printed and it will be your fault, not the designer's.
And then when you contact the store to let them know.... they won't refund even partially. Maybe I was stupid for not contacting the designer beforehand to ask what size the elements were. But designers should know that small elements are not what people use. I think good customer service has just been forgotten these days.
True about resizing to be bigger. You only want to shrink something. But the designer responsibility comes in when the element in question is too small to really do anything with. Most of these are just 1x1 inch on a 12x12 inch page. That is not very big.
#151, you are an idiot. There's nothing wrong with a kit that has elements that are small. It's up to the designer to decide what they want to create, and it's up to you to decide whether you want to buy that designer's products. Every designer has their own style. If you find that one particular designer creates elements that are too small for your tastes, or papers that are too textured, or flowers that are recolored copies, or whatever gripe you may come up with - then don't buy from that person, because their art simply isn't your taste. It doesn't make it wrong, or bad. It's just not for you. It's not a quality issue if an element looks crisp and sharp at 100%, but happens to be smaller than you'd like. That has NOTHING to do with quality. NOTHING!
Here's a tip: if the element looks about right in size on the preview, you know it has to be at least that big on a page (because no designer worth their salt will be dumb enough to increase an element when previewing, because they know not to do that for quality reasons). If you see something on a preview, you know it has to be AT LEAST that big, or bigger.
Yes, but are the elements the same size as on the preview? My previews include elements at the size I designed them. Shouldn't be any surprise to the customer that they are small and if so, why on earth should the customer get a refund? That's not expecting good customer service, that's just being too picky.
And designers shouldn't know that people don't use these sizes. I'm a designer and a scrapper and the sizes I create (often at 1x1 inch) are the size that I like to use.
OMG I almost spit out my coke laughing when I read #151. Who died and made you Queen? You don't get to decide what type of elements the entire digiscrapping community likes to use, nitwit.
I agree with 153 and 154, when I preview a kit I put my elements onto it at the size I created them, and then I might size them down (but never up!) in order to fit everything onto the preview without it looking cluttered. So if you are my customer, you know that what you're getting is at least as big as I show you and possibly bigger.
You all are a bunch of two faced,Backstabbing peices of shit!!After reading everything i hope and pray someone talks behind your back like this while pretending to be your friends.People on here are Human they have hearts and feelings and you all do not know what you can make someone feel by talking this way about them.
Do you think that now, scrappers will want to have a list of each element and their size too in the description? People are complaining that some previews do not show everything, so they want a list. Some previews have recolors, they want to know how many of each. Should designers add the pixel size of every element too? A button is a button. It should not be expected to be 3 inches in diameter. Designers will create elements in a size that would fit their kit, period. If it goes on a 12x12 paper, then, expect a button to be 1 inch!
I would assume that if designers want people to buy their stuff, they would try to listen to their customers. Smaller elements just don't work for some people. Maybe make them a size somewhere in the middle to make everyone happy.
When we listen to customer A we also have to listen to customer B and C. We won't get to any designing then, only trying to please all of our customers which is impossible.
But designers should not have to listen to ALL the complaints in that manner. How many scrappers would want a 3 inch button? How many will complain of having to resize a 3 inch button? Then, customers will complain that the elements are not fitting together well. If you want a specific button, in a larger size, you can either contact the designer (who might have a larger version in the first place so she could work on it), or you can learn to make it yourself. And if it is a scanned element, don't complain that the designer made it the size of the element. Designers are not wizards.
Having an element way too small might be a problem. Having a frame only 1 inch is not expected, and definitely not logical, but a 1 inch button IS logical in most cases.
When we listen to customer A we also have to listen to customer B and C. We won't get to any designing then, only trying to please all of our customers which is impossible.
If a designer makes an element, for example a flower 5 inches, then re-sizes it to 2 inches, saves it at the smaller size, can it be re-sized UP again without losing quality? I didn't know elements couldn't be sized up.
it is much harder to upsize an element then it is to downsize. I think there is a difference though in making a button 2.5 to 3 inches then making a button 6 inches. I will make elements a bit larger then the norm just so customers can downsize or I will have more then one button type in a kit. I prefer my customers to get quality when they downsize and they don't have to worry about sizing up.
I also have always listened to my customers and have fixed things a customer might have found and contacted me on the spot. Customers are what makes the world go around and I don't worry about time taken to make a customer happy. You can either make them happy or lose them as a customer. What designer is stupid enough to lose a customer by not doing what they ask, in reason of course. I don't consider most customer complaints unreasonable.
It doesn't matter what size it was saved at, if it's not an Illustrator or SVG file (or a similar Vector file) it will always be blurry or pixelated if you size it bigger.
It's a matter of pixels not the quality or size it's saved at; photos are the same way.
It's a photoshop/program issue, has nothing to do with designers or the items they create.
That's the point, 172, it's not reasonable for customers to dictate what size a designer DESIGNS her elements. That's the nature of art and design: you get to make what you want, how you want. If people like it they buy it, if they don't like it they don't buy it. But you can't ever make everyone happy, and if YOU personally are seriously wasting so much time trying to help give customers a button in every size they want, I would wager that you are one of the people on this blog who makes $50/month and is happy with that because you're just doing it for fun. More power to you. Myself, I am running a profitable business and I create art that people can either buy or not buy, but I am not a custom artwork creation business. "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit" (our family motto for our kids).
Besides, who the F wants to scrap with a button that's 3 inches big on a 12 inch page??? That's lunacy. People who expect that should be designing their own shit. Just saying.
Wow, I did not realize we have such reactive people on here. Maybe I should have. I thought we could all have a mature discussion about this. I was not attempting to tell designers what size they should have their elements. I was merely suggesting that if they are that size, as shown in the preview, at full size, stipulate that in the description. The comment I made about customer service was referring to the idea that is good to full inform your customers. It saves everyone a headache at the end.
And let's be real. In order to make a product that is as user friendly as possible, it is good to keep items larger so that more people, with more preferences would like to and would use them.
If you have the attitude that if you don't like it, too bad.... that is bad CS. You want money, you are selling your products, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
And further, to think that everyone would be ok with a certain size of element and thus choosing for the customer is the same attitude for which you got all upset in my comment. Don't be a hypocrite. Don't get mad assuming I am requiring what the designer does, then expect I accept whatever the designer chooses for me.
This is simple.... designers should make it more user friendly for everyone by just merely keeping their elements larger. That's is it. Simple solution.
LMAO at the idea of 172 getting the following e-mail: "hello, I really like your latest kit but I sure do wish that I could have button 1 an inch bigger and flower 3 big enough to cover half the page. you have a quality issue because you didn't provide me with those items. please correct your mistakes and e-mail me the corrected files." AND THEN COMPLYING. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Don't get mad assuming I am requiring what the designer does, then expect I accept whatever the designer chooses for me. -------------- That's the point though, isn't it? A designer DOES get to choose for you. She's the fucking designer. If you want more control, learn your GD program and do it yourself.
And BTW this comment of yours: "Wow, I did not realize we have such reactive people on here. Maybe I should have. I thought we could all have a mature discussion about this"
makes me want to tell you to go fuck yourself. This is a smack blog. There's a new friendly blog for you and the link is a page back or so. Don't be surprised if you are the only one there, though, talking to yourself.
Why should a designer "change" her style of designing just to make a couple of customers happy who are not happy with that way of designing? Don't buy, or don't complain. Really kudos to 176. She stated it well, we're not custom creating businesses. And let's be honest, designers can't please everyone. if they resize an element than a customer has a complaint about the color, and if the designer would listen to all that, she would recreate a kit multiple times to even get close to make every customer happy. it's IMPOSSIBLE!
#176, I am not talking about that big. But certain elements like flowers or ribbons, should be at least a certain size because those are the elements that gets used as bigger elements. Those are the ones that get used in several sizes on a page.
And I am not a designer. I am a paying customer that likes to have larger flowers, ribbons and other various elements.
I am not sure where this attitude comes from when it comes to designers. If you are creating kits and we can take it or leave it, then you must not care about the money either.
I honestly don't see why it is so hard to accept the idea that the customer comes first. If you want their money, they need to be happy.
Why is it so hard to just leave an element a little larger than normal. I am not talking 3x3 inches....(although for some elements it would be nice to have one that size for backings or other things) just a little larger than normal to allow for more manipulation?
Whatever. If that is how these designers run their business, that is totally their prerogative. Now I know.
Hey 178, it's NOT bad CS to expect that a customer should be satisfied with what she purchases.
Do you go into Bed Bath and Beyond and buy a duvet cover, and then write the company and tell them that you wish the blue flowers were more of a teal-blue than a purple-blue, and then ask them to make you a new one to your specifications because you couldn't see the cover up close while it was still in the bag?
Do you buy a greeting card and then complain to the company that you wish it was a different font?
You can SEE the contents of a kit in the preview. If you don't feel the preview offers a good enough look, then freaking e-mail the designer to ask questions, or else MOVE ON TO A NEW PRODUCT. But to piss and moan because you wish a flower was larger? Honestly?!
Alright, I give up..... whatever. It is not changing a designers style to leave them larger. It is not requiring anything of anyone. Just a preference, and if the designer cares about money, then they should care about customer's preferences. PERIOD. It is really not that big of a deal.... but I am glad you all got your panties in a wad over it.
I am also glad that you are all so unstable that reading a short comment insights you to swearing with such crass.
I'm 176 and I was replying/referring to 172, who DID in fact mention that she feels that a 2.5 inch or 3 inch button is reasonable whereas a 6 inch button is not. In all truth, I think anything bigger than a 1-2 inch button is testing the boundaries of sanity. Nobody scraps bigger than 12x12 or 12x24, and a button that's bigger than 1-2 inches would look like it came from another dimension in a weird parallel universe filled with giants and unicorns.
If you have an opinion that differs from mine, then you should probably shop somewhere else and I am not saying that to be an asshole. I am honestly trying to make you understand that digiscrap designers are actually NOT trying to cater to your needs. They are thinking up ideas for products that excite them, and creating those products, and selling them. They hope you will like those products, but if you don't they're not going to alter those products for you. It's artwork. Asking for them to design in your style is crazy. It's the customer's job to determine which designers create in a style that suits them, and follow those designers. There are plenty of us to choose from. We know we aren't all going to be your cup of tea, but to expect us to try? You're losing it.
Do you go into Bed Bath and Beyond and buy a duvet cover, and then write the company and tell them that you wish the blue flowers were more of a teal-blue than a purple-blue, and then ask them to make you a new one to your specifications because you couldn't see the cover up close while it was still in the bag?
Do you buy a greeting card and then complain to the company that you wish it was a different font?
With these items, you know what you are getting because you have it in hand. Not the same thing, but nice stretch to try and prove your point.
You can SEE the contents of a kit in the preview. If you don't feel the preview offers a good enough look, then freaking e-mail the designer to ask questions, or else MOVE ON TO A NEW PRODUCT. But to piss and moan because you wish a flower was larger? Honestly?!
Then I would be ridiculed for emailing the designer as one person above already did. I just would like to know what I am buying before hand. Emailing would be "ridiculous" (from what has been said here), and if it is not stated in the preview that the items in the preview are actual size, then how am I to know. I just assume that they would be left a tad bigger to allow for more preferences.
But from this experience, I have learned a big lesson.
But really, for a designer to have the idea that they don't explain in the preview and then ridicule the customer, whether on here or whatever, for asking, and they should just take what they get? How is that good customer service. That is arrogance.
It reinforces my opinion that most of the people posting here are designers. If they weren't then they wouldn't be getting so upset over the size of elements or customers telling them what size to make them.
186, if we're arrogant, you beat us to it. You want us to change our way of designing just to meet your preferences. Like I said before, if we do that, we also have to change the color cause customer B doesn't like the color of that item, customer C wants a different texture, and customer D likes it but wants the product without that element...really, you think we jump, sit, roll over and play dead, just to please all of the handful of customers who are complaining about that product?
I don't care what size a button is to be honest. I can design my layout around that. I do, however, hate jagged elements. Those are not so easy to deal with.
Do you get to change the size of an actual paper scrapping product? No you do not. Digital allows you some flexibility, but you shouldn't expect to be able to have everything you want just because it's digital. It's a collection of items, bundled as a kit, created to coordinate so you can use it to document your life. It's created in the vision of the designer who created it.
If I buy a Basic Grey collection and decide I wish the sticker embellishments were bigger, that's just too bad. If I buy a digital kit and wish I could have the stickers bigger, that's also just too bad. Do you e-mail Basic Grey about how they should have provided you with choices? Or smack them for not giving you 3 sizes of stickers? Not usually, I would assume.
The beauty of digital is that you can alter things to suit your needs, but that does not mean it's a right and that you should expect designers to go out of their way to create something that adheres to your personal standards.
I hope that makes sense to you without coming off as crass.
I'm for both 195, cause even designers are human and can have a slip now and then. And also I ask my CT to see if there are issues when they work with my products.
#194- I totally get your point. You do make sense to me. Can I ask you this though, if you bought a kit and the elements were blurry or jagged, would you be upset? I would be livid, as it's really hard to work with blurry or jagged elements. I think in that case I should be allowed to contact the store or designer and not get an attitude.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 2608 Newer› Newest»Maybe it is to hard for some people to credit. I don't agree with not crediting though. You didn't make it yourself. Don't claim it as your own. Credit who made it.
Question- Are most designers scrappers? I know that alot of designers have started out as scrappers but don't scrap anymore.
Wow #130. Normally I take things with a grain of salt here but this time it was like salt was poured in my wounds. Maybe my stuff is not your taste. But my designs are not bad. I'm designing and selling as a hobby to have something positive and fun to do in my life after a very devastating loss at the first of the year. Seriously, this place is a smack blog but damn it people have feelings and some don't come here just to talk smack. Days like today I just wonder why the hell I bother trying to fit in and have fun in this most un-fucking-friendly world of digi-scrapping.
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Well said! I was the one that pointed out that her post was mean because I had a pretty good idea of who she was referring to and I for one was happy to see you jumping into designing again after the awful tragedy that struck your family. Keep doing what your doing and ignore the haters here on this blog.
1 - If you are talking about http://rbldesignz.com/ , take a look at that versus SO or A5D, yours just looks -- amateur-ish. Not professional. If that's the look you're going for, great. If not - explore options for a redesign and reevaluate your designers as well.
Some people don't understand that words hurt and can cause deep pain. Stop being such a bully! Think before you speak/type because you can't take it back.
#2, thank you, like I said I normally wouldn't even post but this seriously really opened my wounds today. If it burns my digi-bridges that I posted on a smack blog oh well. I will probably be labeled unstable, crazy, who knows. I know 99.9% of the people who actually post here are mean. What hurts is knowing that most likely whoever posted what hurt me is someone I've interacted with before.
#3 - She's referring to this comment.
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there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in.
#3, no, I wasn't talking about rbldesignz.com I wouldn't set up in that shop. I design more paper-style kits, no posers, and no tagger stuff for me.
First of all, just found this blog.
I'm a new designer and actually find this place to be revealing and insightful seeing how I'm new to the "designer" aspect of the digi-world.
I'm curious for those of you "in the know" what kind of recommendations or advice would YOU give to newbie designers that want to make a place for themselves, even if they are starting out in one of these "hideous" or "disaster" type of stores? I notice a lot of those mentioned (some more recently than others) really spread themselves thin or try to put themselves in every store. Some of them even take over what stores they feel they can without improving their own.
I honestly feel lost and hopeless after reading this blog, lol. Apparently I have no idea what decent stores are. :) (This is a new poster, and not meant to be sarcastic.)
#8 First let me say I am so sorry you ever found this blog. It is like a car wreck you just can't help yourself from looking at.
Personally, I would keep it to 1 or 2 shops. Make your previews look as nice as possible and be sure to shadow your previews so they aren't flat. Advertise as much as possible. Use Facebook to create a fan page. Use Twitter. Have a blog and update it regularly, offer a freebie and host it on your own domain. Use a quality control action. Have fun and please, don't read here.
If you've read this blog (as you stated), there has been plenty of advice thrown around for newbies. I'm not sure what of that advice didn't do it for you...
there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in.
May 20, 2012 12:25:00 PM
For those of us who don't have access to that forum... who is she talking about?
#9, Thanks but I'm a big girl and know the difference between constructive criticism and personal opinion so I'm not worried about people being bitchy and downright opinionated, no offense guys! I participate on many "Mama pages" on FB that are worse or even simply idiotic. ;) Thanks for the tips though, will be sure to keep those in mind! I also have or started to have many of them implemented already.
What I am worried about is the store I sell at is one of the hideous ones that might hinder me from reaching my potential!
I originally started in more than one store, but the other one seemed to be in the process of switching owners and went completely quiet in less than a month of being there.
#12 - if you can't tell if the store you're in is "one of the hideous ones", that might be part of your problem.
What stores do you consider hideous?
#13, Please refer to #8 where I first introduced myself. I didn't say I couldn't tell, it's a "New" store and I'm fairly new to the digi-scrap world so forgive me if I'm not in the know of who's the top tiers...I know I wouldn't qualify to work in one of them Yet.
As for being one of the hideous stores...I simply stated that as it was discussed being such, not that I considered it to be.
I'm aware this is a smack blog but people don't learn if they aren't aware, so perhaps that is part of my "problem". I wasn't aware being tactful isn't allowed here.
#15 - Forgive me if I don't follow every anonymous post and weave together who is who. Next time I'll get out my notepad and follow the way you type so I can figure out who you are. *eye roll*
In your #12 post, you stated, "What I am worried about is the store I sell at is one of the hideous ones that might hinder me from reaching my potential!"
I don't know, I guess I thought that sentence meant you were worried that you were in a hideous store... silly me.
If you don't consider it to be hideous, wtf are you worried about?
She was asking what stores do the people here think are hideous. She wants to know if her store is one of them.
Sorry I wasn't aware someone pissed in your cheerios this morning LOL.
It's called being aware of my surroundings and future business, if I'm working for a shady owner or even store for that matter...I'd like to know about it, wouldn't you? If CT members are constantly complaining about a store or designers selling at a store, wouldn't that hinder sales for other potential designers?
I was trying to be tactful and didn't attack you. I was merely clarifying my statement, forgive me if you felt it was a direct assault. I assure you, it wasn't. I'm new to this blog, not the internet so I can be a bitch for no reason too...but what's the point? ;) <3
I don't know....regarding crediting.
I bought it. It is now mine. I own it. To require me to credit you is really absurd and seems unique to digiland. If I buy craft supplies and use them to make something and then post it in a gallery I do not need to credit the company I bought it from.
I'm amazed the people on this blog didn't take a moment to actually smack a store they consider hideous or that they don't like.
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I thought you had to credit paper/craft supplies.
Maybe because it is likely understood that you didn't CREATE the plastic button or the ribbon you used in paper/craft project, while in digi, who knows who made/drew/extracted that button? I dunno. Maybe that is the difference?
#20 I agree, everyone must be actually enjoying the sunny weather. If it is sunny where they are.
Sweet Berry Scraps is hideous
Scrappity Doo Dah is getting there very fast
Wilma 4 Ever is downright nasty
Funky Playground is pathetic
The Boomerang (Hummie's World) is very bad
With Love Studio stay away from
Need more?
I've never heard of Wilma 4 Ever. Got a link?
OMG is that even a store or someone full of herself?
I think Wilma was at a store I started to CT at and never even opened. How does she even think she can run a store?
Wow. Just found this blog. I'm sorry but I don't understand the need to be so snarky. I guess it makes y'all feel good or something. I'll just go look the other way from all the ugly and leave you guys to your own little snake pit.
Wilma4ever.com It looks like it's full of PSP posers and $1 deals.
Maybe I am off, but I thought Posers were from a totally different program than PSP. How can you have PSP posers?
^Forgot a comma. , <--There it is!
Ah... that makes more sense then! I thought I was more confused that I imagined I was!
Stop being such a bully!
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Please stop saying bullying. Just because you don't like an opinion, it doesn't make it bullying. Not the OP but I'm sick to death of people using the word bullying when it's not bullying, it undermines real bullying.
I know 99.9% of the people who actually post here are mean.
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You know this, do you? I'm not a mean person. So, by your estimate, that means you and the person you are replying to are the only non 'mean' ones.
Thats true. When you are dealing with a bully they have a face and a name. We're just bitches.
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If someone has to hide under an anonymous name and smack people then yes it is bullying.
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You have never posted a mean comment here ever then?
I think the issue is that the designer would like to be credited so that the one posting it does not claim it as their own. Which many do that.
The other thing too, it doesn't matter if you or anyone else thinks the work is not good enough to extract.... SOMEONE will always try to get something for free and even try to sell it to get money. Which is not right. So it is just to protect what they have created. You would want the same thing too. So let's be fair.
I'm amazed the people on this blog didn't take a moment to actually smack a store they consider hideous or that they don't like.
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My list would include some of the so called top tier stores, so what's the point? I don't smack just because. What I find strange is that you made this statement and didn't contribute anything either.
Maybe because it is likely understood that you didn't CREATE the plastic button or the ribbon you used in paper/craft project, while in digi, who knows who made/drew/extracted that button? I dunno. Maybe that is the difference?
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Spot on and I'm amazed that people don't understand this.
Thats true. When you are dealing with a bully they have a face and a name. We're just bitches.
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that's not what I meant.
If someone has to hide under an anonymous name and smack people then yes it is bullying.
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Did I talk about smacking? No, I said an opinion someone didn't like.
Someone saying that a designer needs to reevaluate her design skills because her designs are not very good is not bullying - see post #3 and then the reply #4.
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If that is what you meant, then yes I agree with you. I thought you meant smacking in general.
that's not what I meant.
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Maybe not. But a lot of what is said here, if said non-anonymously would be viewed as bullying. You never know if what is said here is from one person or twenty.
#42 - yeah, that's what I meant, a differing opinion.
#19 - you are incorrect...just because you bought it, does not mean you OWN it or can do whatever you want with it. the designer retains all rights to the product. you just paid to use it. you still have to abide by the designer's terms of use...if they require credit, give them credit.
If a designer extracts a button or any craft item don't they have to credit where the button/item came from? They didn't actually make the button. I'm not a designer so I have often wondered how one would credit something they may not remember where it came from. Or do they just not have to credit at all because they bought it.
#45 then we shouldn't be "buying" a kit, we should be buying the license to the use the kit.
#45 then we shouldn't be "buying" a kit, we should be buying the license to the use the kit.
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From what I understand, that is exactly what we do when we "buy a kit".
Exactly. Just like when you "buy" software. You are buying the license to use the software.
When you buy the kit you buy a PERSONAL use license most of the time, unless it states otherwise. That means you can not make money off of using that kit. You can not use it to scrapbook for other people and them pay you for it.... unless the license allows that.
The designer is agreeing to sell it under certain terms, and when you buy it, you agree to those terms.
That is just the way this digi land works. There are so many designers out there, that it is just nice to note where you got the items from that are in your layout. Unless you don;t want to share your sources.... which is weird.
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That is where S4H comes in. I think you can scrap for other people and get paid for it.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=303055
I upload to my flickr all layouts in full resolution otherwise whats the point of using it as a back up in case of EHD failure etc. I pay a premium to allow me the space.
I do NOT note credits and will not. Its my personal account and I dont see why I should have to protect your products just because I used them. When I post to a gallery then I post credits as I view that as a show room for your products. I think a designer requesting me to remove or reload at 72 dpi and 600 x 600 is beyond the boundaries and I would politely tell her to fuck off!! never to purchase from her again....
#52 I hadnt thought about the back up issue, if something happened to my lappie I would by desolute but at least I would have them available for print from flickr.
My art is my own, yes I used designer products but what I produce is from my creativity so where I choose to store it off line is nobodys business,.
Flickr is not off line though.
If you're using flickr as a back-up, is there a way to make what you upload private? I know that feature is available on other services.
54 Flickr is not off line though.
May 20, 2012 8:10:00 PM
And the point being?? I should only store it offline? I have a flickr account as I live in another country to my family and friends. This allows me to obtain their photos to use in my layouts for books that I print. And vice versa.
Hum, if you say you can choose to store your work off line anywhere you want, well, Flickr is not off line, so you are contradicting yourself, no?
#51 - Yes, but that is if the license you buy with your kit is S4H ok. I know I do not allow S4H with my kits. If they want to make money off of my kits, they can buy a CU license. PU is just that PERSONAL use.
#55 - yes, you can make your albums private on Flickr
#57 Hum, if you say you can choose to store your work off line anywhere you want, well, Flickr is not off line, so you are contradicting yourself, no?
No what I saying was that I choose to have it online for reasons stated. I did make a error typing and so should read.... "so where I choose to store it on line is nobodys business,.
so my bad!!
did anyone ever think that maybe other people might be inspired by someone's work and actually wonder where the products came from?
Anyone see that Catscrap is turning into Scrapflower? What's going on with that?
Scrapflower is such a terrible name. It makes me think of the girl who is Sunny Day Scraps (Charly?)
63 - I agree, and who wants to be even close to that 'designer'??
I just think it's a terrible name. Don't know who Sunny Day Scraps is, never heard of her.
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She's the biggest flake if I ever saw one. Owned a store that I think was called Sunflower Scraps which went bust. Owns berry sweet scraps which Ive never visited due to seeing who was opening it and has just acquired MSS
Think of Stuff to Scrap only worse.
^^ be glad, if someone is sucking others big toes it's her. Trying to get her foot in everywhere
You're a fucking idiot. That's the same kind of bullshit excuse pirates use. "I bought it so I can do whatever I want with it and if you didn't want it given away or used without proper license or credit then you shouldn't have put it online". You're an idiot.
You are purchasing a LICENSE to use the product for PERSONAL USE. DUH. FUCKING DUH! I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of these bitches who think they can do whatever they want with whatever they want just because they think they OWN something they didn't create in the first place. MORON.
You want to store it online. Then purchase online storage. FLICKR IS NOT ONLINE STORAGE. And if you're too fucking cheap to do that, then fucking keep it on an ehd or a flash drive or some other OFFLINE storage.
Sorry for really going off there but I'm so sick of this argument. If you purchase a kit that requires you to provide credits when uploading your layout to a site then DO IT. Otherwise purchase from somewhere or someone else, but a designer has EVERY right to dictate how her products are used. SO put on your big girl panties and suck it up.
#69 - wow, any valid argument you had was totally lost in your tirade of foul language and name calling.
Rofl, I'm the one who originally posted the link to the DST thread.
I'm a little bit of an addict. I spend hundreds of dollars a week on scrapping (though I have started to become more fussy I see cute and I neeeed it!)
And guess what? I credit. Down to the last button. Why? Because I like it when others do because it helps me find things I like.
I have 2 external harddrives and pay the monthly fee for online backup. So to call me an idiot and make all those stupid assumptions is a little silly.
My issue is the jumping up and down designers do over credit. I have NEVER seen the obsession with credit that I see in the digiscrap world. I'm sorry but using something in a layout and uploading that layout fullsize is NOT the same as sharing the kit. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it is.
You need to calm down. All your pathetic names etc and swearing doesn't make you more worthwhile to listen to. It makes you look like a child.
While we're on the subject of pirates, do you know how many designers I have seen link to pirated stuff to moan about it? Like seriously, how dumb do you have to be? You can moan a site is sharing your stuff but linking to it is the dumbest move I have ever seen.
#69 wow, a tirade even...
" You are purchasing a LICENSE to use the product for PERSONAL USE. DUH. FUCKING DUH! I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of these bitches who think they can do whatever they want with whatever they want just because they think they OWN something they didn't create in the first place. MORON."
please explain? - if I create a layout and upload to my personal flickr account how that is not PERSONAL use? its not for sale, no one is paying to view it... if you dont want your products used for layouts then DONT SELL them ...DUH. simple....
I'm not anyone who have posted above but I read the arguments from both sides and can't help wondering, #72, are you conveniently ignoring the TOU of the kit(s)?
You are right in saying that creating your own layout is personal use. But if you are posting in a public place (even though it's your personal flikr account, if it's not set to private, other people can still have access to it and that makes it public), shouldn't you follow the TOU? If the TOU requires credit, then yes I think you should.
It's your right to not purchase from the designer anymore if you're not satisfied with the TOU, but it's also the designer's right to ask that you follow the letter of the the TOU. And it's not that designers are asking people not to post layouts in their personal space or anything. They only ask to put low-res pics in public. (Low-res or 72 dpi is perfectly fine and clear for web viewing.) You can still have a private album where you put all your hi-res pics in and avoid this dilemma. That's how I see it.
If the designer you purchase from requires credit when posting you have to credit them. The end.
My issue is the jumping up and down designers do over credit. I have NEVER seen the obsession with credit that I see in the digiscrap world. I'm sorry but using something in a layout and uploading that layout fullsize is NOT the same as sharing the kit. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it is.
Actually if you want to be published in a Scrap/Craft magazine like Somerset, Scrapbooks Etc. they require credit of everything you used in your LO be it Digital or from a company on non-digital LOs.
As a designer, I get a little tired of the credit police and now the "storage police." I guess if these are things that matter to you, it's good to choose the items you purchase. I personally don't care if someone wants to load their flattened layouts to a private Flickr account. And I never require credits - it's nice if someone wants to do it, but I think it would be arrogant of me to require it. JMO.
#22 If I use a designers fabric and upload a picture of it to Flickr, I'm not expected to credit the designer. If I use a knitting pattern, I'm not expected to credit the pattern maker either. Crediting patterns, ideas, etc is totally unique to digital scrapbooking.
I guess because only in digiscrap can you load up a TOU doc in your zip.
And it's dumb and goes too far. Credit if you want to but it shouldn't be a requirement.
Actually if you go to most Craft communities (say like DST for crafts) they DO require you to credit a pattern maker in the gallery or post you put a picture in. You are not allowed to sell products made from most patterns either, since you are not the owner of the pattern itself. (Sound familiar?) You're not allowed to sell items made from say, Amy Brown Fabric because it's a copywritten style of fabric/pattern on the fabric.
So, no it's not unique to just "digital scrapbooking" community, most people just are too self involved to research what they are doing first.
24 with love studio-why stay away? I found them over iNSD and it looks nice. I was real happy with what I bought.
I understand the new owners at With Love Studio are nice and shouldn't pay for the "sins" of the former owners.
Fabric makers have their own TOU. You can't sell items made with a designers fabric commercially. If you want to be seen as someone with integrity you give credit in any industry.
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into.
To the person who keeps trying to redirect traffic from this blog over to her new nicer version of the smack blog, OMG give it up. You have 16 comments after the blog has been active for a few weeks. It ain't gonna happen, sweetheart.
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Gotta Pixel has a quota of $200 per month...SM used to have that same quota, not sure if they still do after the fiasco there. SBG has a quota, but not sure of the exact amount. Places like TDC have a 'low end' quota. If you sell less than $50 in a pay period, or maybe its a month, I don't really remember - then you pay a $5 server fee.
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This is actually totally false. It just goes to show you how much from a smack blog you can trust when you read it. = zero.
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I thought the owner of this blog made the nicer one.
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into.
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Totally true, but is it possible for the site to be innocent of it's founder? The current site owners should have pursued a digi-business elsewhere for sure, but is the whole site stained because of the person who originated it?
Why stay away from With Love? Maybe because the founder is a crazy person and likely one of the least trustworthy people in digi, who also has former ties to sites that pirate digi supplies. So by supporting that site, you're doing nothing to support the work of designers. That's just one reason, though, there are a slew of other reasons that someone else can delve into.
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Totally true, but is it possible for the site to be innocent of it's founder? The current site owners should have pursued a digi-business elsewhere for sure, but is the whole site stained because of the person who originated it?
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Is it totally true? Where is the proof of piracy? Why hold the new owners accountable for the old owners insanity?
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I'm not sure why new owners would be held accountable for a past owners issues. They aren't the same people. Sadly, that stuff just happens and it doesn't make it right. Who are the new owners of WLS?
I only know Missy Bits...
Missys Bits and Sugarmoon Designs bought it. I dont know Sugarmoon but Missy is at DST a lot. There was a post here somewhere about it a while back.
I don't see anything wrong with Missy Bits.
I have no problem with the new owners at WLS.
Is it totally true? Where is the proof of piracy? Why hold the new owners accountable for the old owners insanity?
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Proof was actually presented at one time with the original owner. I don't know where to go to find it now though, but I did see some of it at one point. It is very old news now though and digi-land has moved on!
85: I did not start the other blog.
#94 exactly. Yet the sweet person who did keeps coming here asking you to add a link to the side of this blog so the non-tainted people can find their way there. So sad and desperate. Reeks to me of someone who read here a few weeks ago that there is a chance that the site owner can see the IPs of who is posting here (something that is definitely the case when people post on WP sites), and now they want to run the smack site so they have control over the info. Ridiculous.
So who is staying/going at MSS? Where to? With Charly on board, I assume they are fleeing quickly.
If they're smart, everyone should run.
#95 Where did you learn that the owner of the other blog keeps coming here asking to add a link? I didn't see the post anywhere. Or was it deleted? Just curious.
#98 - There were only two references to the other blog. 1 was where the disgruntled person said she had set one up and 2 was where she asked for a link to be put there from here. Hardly "keeps coming here asking" but frankly, who cares. No one is going there anyway.
#19 - you are incorrect...just because you bought it, does not mean you OWN it or can do whatever you want with it. the designer retains all rights to the product. you just paid to use it. you still have to abide by the designer's terms of use...if they require credit, give them credit.
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Ok not the person you addressed this to but I saw the thread and looked at the layout. The bird in the upper right hand corner is CU that the designer used (from Oopsi's CU Fairytale Mix - I'm unclear whether she still sells but I have that pack.). Not sure what else is CU but it all just begs the question: How can designers claim a copyright on someone else's CU (not even bothering to make a derivative item at that) and then spell out those restrictive TOUs - such as having to credit, you can't post here or there, you can't upload full resolution, etc. The designers aren't giving credit to the CU designer at all so why does the scrapper have to credit?
#99 Thanks. That's what I thought. I was thinking it's strange that it's even brought up because nobody was paying much attention to it anyway. It doesn't hurt anyone that the other blog exists, though. Why bother smacking it?
Alyssa is still selling at WLS and as long as she's involved, you should stay far, far away. I couldn't care less about what she does with digital kits, but I can't think of a less trustworthy person to be in charge of handling money or personal information, like addresses.
Wasn't Alyssa one who has deleted store content at one point in the past? Hard to know how the store is currently set up or if she has that much access to it either. I probably would stay away from this "designer", wherever she sells. Not the best idea to be sitting beside someone with such a history.
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Just because she sells there doesn't mean she has access to the money. If she does then the new store owners are really dumb.
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Yes, it was at FPD, i think.
I think (s)he requested a link twice, but I'm not certain. Regardless, the IP thing is true... my "real" blog is WP, and I can see all the IP addresses of anyone who posts.
I intentionally did this one through Blogger for that reason. I don't want to know who's posting here, and I don't want to be affiliated in any way with a blog where it's not anonymous. So, no link.
I personally don't care if someone wants to load their flattened layouts to a private Flickr account.
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It wasn't a private Flickr account, it was a public one.
Carry on.
This is actually totally false. It just goes to show you how much from a smack blog you can trust when you read it. = zero.
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One false statement does not make everything invalid, questionable maybe, but not invalid.
To the person who keeps trying to redirect traffic from this blog over to her new nicer version of the smack blog, OMG give it up. Y
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I saw TWO attempts, how is that keeps trying? Maybe I missed some others, but I only saw two. Maybe that's how much I care, maybe you care too much. Who knows? Who care? Oh, you do. Sorry.
o sad and desperate. Reeks to me of someone who read here a few weeks ago that there is a chance that the site owner can see the IPs of who is posting here (something that is definitely the case when people post on WP sites), and now they want to run the smack site so they have control over the info. Ridiculous.
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She may be sad and desperate but you sound paranoid and unstable. They want to run a blog to have control over the info? Wow, just wow.
A suggestion for everyone who wants their designs credited ----> why don't you label your kit contents properly with your name so it's easier to identify?
How are people to know who's button or paper it is if you only use 2 or 3 initials (SE, DB, ABC, XYZ) to label it?? Or worse, when you don't even put your name on it at all (ie. button1, button2)??? (For the record, I just made up those initials as an example, they are not anyone specific).
If you are too lazy to properly identify your name on each digital item sold, why should anybody else care?? Think about it.
#100 - if you read the TOU that comes along with your purchased kit, the designer "should" be crediting her cu resources used too. so it really can go either way i suppose. i am not arguing your point, but as a designer, i always credit my resources, and as a scrapper, i always credit the designer. i think it's just a polite thing to do. i know if i saw an awesome layout with really cool elements, i would probably want to know who made the original kit...and then i would probably go buy it!
110 - you are totally correct!!! nothing more irritating then having to decipher hieroglyphics of a designer's file names...HAHA!
#110 Amen!
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Thank you!!! That is so irritating when they don't even have a name on the file.
#110 - especially in multi designer collabs!
I wonder how many designers really credit every item in her kit to the CU designer they purchased it from?
I also wonder if every CU designer can legitimately claim a button because they took a photo of it and extracted it? Should they credit where they got the button?
I really dont think if you are posting your pages to your own personal site that you should have to credit.
If I post a craft project on my blog or facebook that I created I dont feel it necessary to credit every paint, brush, tool I used to create it.
all that being said if you purchase from someone who requires it then you should credit.
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Well FB isn't your own personal site. You can make your page private but it's not the same thing.
By craft project, do you mean a hybrid or with crafts you buy in a craft store? I think it would be hard to remember where you got ever piece of items used.
Too much talk about credit. Who cares?
List of credits required to type this post:
Blog by BlogSpot
Keyboard by Apple
Mouse by Microsoft
Monitor by Apple
Browser by Mozilla
Desk is vintage
Chair is Ergoline (not sure if that is the make or the model)
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You forgot the font used on this blog, LOL.
I don't credit fonts.
Me either. Half the time I forget.
Why don't designers have to credit the CU they use to make things, you ask? Because most CU designers don't require it. Most explicitly sell it to you under the phrase "no credit required" or "credit not required, but appreciated" meaning that it's up to the designer to decide if they want to credit. If CU designers wanted to be credited, they'd say so in their terms. So don't cry for them, they're fine.
As for people using PU kits to do whatever they want? If you're going to make photo books for yourself and your family, you get to do what you want with a kit. If you're going to post anything publicly or online, or submit to magazines for any reason, then you have to follow the kit designer's terms. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS. You buy the product which means buying the right to use it (it's a license), and if you just use it for you, that's one thing. But the second you make your work public, you have to follow the terms because that's what you agreed to when you purchased the license.
So if you don't want to credit in galleries? Don't post in galleries, you twits. Otherwise, you are bound to follow the terms and stop whining about it on this blog. Good bloody hell, whiny babies.
I wish more designers would make their terms available prior to purchase. So many don't.
Did you know that in some countries you cannot be held to terms of use if you were made aware of them after purchase?
You want your terms followed, make them public and make them easy to find.
Whiny designers.
Some stores like SO, have the TOU right in the shop. Quite a few designers also have their TOU pasted in their product descriptions.
For the people who are complaining about initials on filenames ... it's not laziness ... the reason that is the naming convention is that many programs crash with really long file names. Having a file called ReallyGreatDesigner_AwesomeKit_RedStripedPaper coudl cause problems for lots of folks. That is why the industry standard moved to abbreviations, and so 'properly' (as you put it) naming that file would be RGD_AwesomeKit_RedStripedPaper or similar.
(I do agree it's frustrating when all you get is 'paper1' or 'element1')
Quite a few don't. The ones who do, are doing it right, the ones who don't, aren't. And before anyone says - don't buy from those designers - what a moronic argument.
Charly at DST
I have purchased a store that was going to close and i didn't want to see such a wonderful Store close ,It has such wonderful Designers and CT and members and huge Gallery and And great Blog so i purchased it,but it is a xcart based store and i was wondering if anyone out there knows how to run one willing to teach me the ropes of the backend? I am so lost i am use to zencart backend
OMG...really..leave it closed!
- 110 Most of the stores ask that we name our products like that so as #125 wrote it as become an industry standard.
- 123 "I wish more designers would make their terms available prior to purchase. So many don't. "
Well Actually most does. It is either on their blog or store and it takes about 10 seconds to look at them.
Just an observation but, those of you whining about crediting designers could have credited a whole page worth of layouts in your gallery in the amount of time you have spent bitching here. So all you are doing is re-enforcing your laziness. And it is sad we have spent 100+ posts talking about something so trivial.
Ditto 127...it will close with her in charge anyway. I'll be shocked if it stays open two months.
2 weeks...tops
I can't believe she purchased an x-cart store without 1. knowing it was an x-cart store before buying and 2. not knowing how to administer x-cart.
Seriously. Just close it. It's not like it's getting any business anyway.
Are X-cart and Zencart that different?
That must have been a pretty expensive store to purchase. Afterall, isn't xcart expensive in the first place? And if it has a gallery, plus the domain, and so on, it seems like a big purchase without much reseach beforehand.
RE: MSS - all the designers with other options are bailing (or were already which is a big reason why it was going to close in the first place) I sure hope any designers left there are trying hard to find a new store - they'd be crazy to depend on that whack job Charly. I don't know which is worse - dealing with totally absent Jac who expected the store to run on it's own or Charly fumbling around.
I knew MSS was on its way out when Charly started selling there - hello red flag!
Why I left...ok 1 of the reasons.
MSS should have just stuck to being a gallery and inspiration site w/ a blog, like a baby Daily Digi, and kept doing their "this week we love" feature. It was the only reason I ever visited their site. Once they stopped that feature I stopped going there, plain and simple.
Personally I'd rather go back to the absentee owner, and that's saying something. Charly is a freaking nightmare.
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I thought they still do that there.
I was wondering what's up with Oscraps. They don't seem to release alot lately. I used to shop there all the time but now it's very rare that I do. The releases seem to be very sparse.
Oscraps is the store I thought of first when someone asked which "big store" would fail.
Oscraps releases new things all the time, it's just that their designers release on different days.
Maybe that is the problem then. Different release days.
I have had a few interactions with Charly as a designer and in forums. Her design style may not match my scrapping sytle, but she is really nice. I hope she finds a niche in this industry, and I hope she does well at MSS. Charly I hope you stay away from this place, but if you do come here and read this unprofessional banter I hope you know that not everyone shares the same opinion.
OK, here is a change of subject. Does anyone else get frustrated when they open up a zip and the elements in the zip are super small.... or at least smaller then you would like?
I just did that. Designers think that because that is the size they would normally be on a page in traditional scrapbooking, then that is the size we would all like. But I like to have bigger ones and be able to shrink them.
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YES! That and they are small and blurry. I hate that. I like the option of resizing from bigger to smaller. Trying to resize from smaller to bigger is terrible.
Paislee Press does that. Out of the 10 elements in the kit they are sized small. That just may be her style though.
Yes, but they should know that they are small.... quality control people!
#147, that's because you are never supposed to resize bigger if you plan to print anything you make. Never. When something is created at a certain size in 300dpi, it can't be increased in size or it will look grainy and pixeled when used or printed at 300dpi. I simply cannot understand why people can't accept this. Don't ever increase the size of anything you use in a kit, ever. Period. Unless you will only ever use web-resolution copies of your pages, your pages will look awful when printed and it will be your fault, not the designer's.
And then when you contact the store to let them know.... they won't refund even partially. Maybe I was stupid for not contacting the designer beforehand to ask what size the elements were. But designers should know that small elements are not what people use. I think good customer service has just been forgotten these days.
True about resizing to be bigger. You only want to shrink something. But the designer responsibility comes in when the element in question is too small to really do anything with. Most of these are just 1x1 inch on a 12x12 inch page. That is not very big.
Amen #150.
#151, you are an idiot. There's nothing wrong with a kit that has elements that are small. It's up to the designer to decide what they want to create, and it's up to you to decide whether you want to buy that designer's products. Every designer has their own style. If you find that one particular designer creates elements that are too small for your tastes, or papers that are too textured, or flowers that are recolored copies, or whatever gripe you may come up with - then don't buy from that person, because their art simply isn't your taste. It doesn't make it wrong, or bad. It's just not for you. It's not a quality issue if an element looks crisp and sharp at 100%, but happens to be smaller than you'd like. That has NOTHING to do with quality. NOTHING!
Here's a tip: if the element looks about right in size on the preview, you know it has to be at least that big on a page (because no designer worth their salt will be dumb enough to increase an element when previewing, because they know not to do that for quality reasons). If you see something on a preview, you know it has to be AT LEAST that big, or bigger.
Yes, but are the elements the same size as on the preview? My previews include elements at the size I designed them. Shouldn't be any surprise to the customer that they are small and if so, why on earth should the customer get a refund? That's not expecting good customer service, that's just being too picky.
And designers shouldn't know that people don't use these sizes. I'm a designer and a scrapper and the sizes I create (often at 1x1 inch) are the size that I like to use.
(Most of my comment is directed at #151)
OMG I almost spit out my coke laughing when I read #151. Who died and made you Queen? You don't get to decide what type of elements the entire digiscrapping community likes to use, nitwit.
I agree with 153 and 154, when I preview a kit I put my elements onto it at the size I created them, and then I might size them down (but never up!) in order to fit everything onto the preview without it looking cluttered. So if you are my customer, you know that what you're getting is at least as big as I show you and possibly bigger.
You all are a bunch of two faced,Backstabbing peices of shit!!After reading everything i hope and pray someone talks behind your back like this while pretending to be your friends.People on here are Human they have hearts and feelings and you all do not know what you can make someone feel by talking this way about them.
Wow either Charly just showed up to read the blog for the day or we have a newbie in town. Holy anger management issues 157.
Do you think that now, scrappers will want to have a list of each element and their size too in the description? People are complaining that some previews do not show everything, so they want a list. Some previews have recolors, they want to know how many of each. Should designers add the pixel size of every element too? A button is a button. It should not be expected to be 3 inches in diameter. Designers will create elements in a size that would fit their kit, period. If it goes on a 12x12 paper, then, expect a button to be 1 inch!
It's that time again...holding hands and sing kumbaya...if you don't like what you read, put a lock on this site and never come back.
Wow either Charly just showed up to read the blog for the day or we have a newbie in town. Holy anger management issues 157.
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So true. But I doubt it's Charly cause she places LOL or LMBO after every 2 words.
LOL...sorry that was to easy ;)
Amen 159. I can't believe anyone thinks they have a right to tell a designer what size to make their creations.
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That was my point. Designers should not have the elements smaller in kits because resizing to a bigger size isn't pretty.
I don't think English is #157's first language.
I would assume that if designers want people to buy their stuff, they would try to listen to their customers. Smaller elements just don't work for some people. Maybe make them a size somewhere in the middle to make everyone happy.
When we listen to customer A we also have to listen to customer B and C. We won't get to any designing then, only trying to please all of our customers which is impossible.
But designers should not have to listen to ALL the complaints in that manner. How many scrappers would want a 3 inch button? How many will complain of having to resize a 3 inch button? Then, customers will complain that the elements are not fitting together well. If you want a specific button, in a larger size, you can either contact the designer (who might have a larger version in the first place so she could work on it), or you can learn to make it yourself. And if it is a scanned element, don't complain that the designer made it the size of the element. Designers are not wizards.
Having an element way too small might be a problem. Having a frame only 1 inch is not expected, and definitely not logical, but a 1 inch button IS logical in most cases.
When we listen to customer A we also have to listen to customer B and C. We won't get to any designing then, only trying to please all of our customers which is impossible.
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If a designer makes an element, for example a flower 5 inches, then re-sizes it to 2 inches, saves it at the smaller size, can it be re-sized UP again without losing quality? I didn't know elements couldn't be sized up.
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They get all blurry and lose their quality.
it is much harder to upsize an element then it is to downsize. I think there is a difference though in making a button 2.5 to 3 inches then making a button 6 inches. I will make elements a bit larger then the norm just so customers can downsize or I will have more then one button type in a kit. I prefer my customers to get quality when they downsize and they don't have to worry about sizing up.
I also have always listened to my customers and have fixed things a customer might have found and contacted me on the spot. Customers are what makes the world go around and I don't worry about time taken to make a customer happy. You can either make them happy or lose them as a customer. What designer is stupid enough to lose a customer by not doing what they ask, in reason of course. I don't consider most customer complaints unreasonable.
It doesn't matter what size it was saved at, if it's not an Illustrator or SVG file (or a similar Vector file) it will always be blurry or pixelated if you size it bigger.
It's a matter of pixels not the quality or size it's saved at; photos are the same way.
It's a photoshop/program issue, has nothing to do with designers or the items they create.
#171 - Thanks. I guess I've been lucky, I've never noticed anything printed being blurry, I re-size all the time.
#173 was directed at #170.
That's the point, 172, it's not reasonable for customers to dictate what size a designer DESIGNS her elements. That's the nature of art and design: you get to make what you want, how you want. If people like it they buy it, if they don't like it they don't buy it. But you can't ever make everyone happy, and if YOU personally are seriously wasting so much time trying to help give customers a button in every size they want, I would wager that you are one of the people on this blog who makes $50/month and is happy with that because you're just doing it for fun. More power to you. Myself, I am running a profitable business and I create art that people can either buy or not buy, but I am not a custom artwork creation business. "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit" (our family motto for our kids).
Besides, who the F wants to scrap with a button that's 3 inches big on a 12 inch page??? That's lunacy. People who expect that should be designing their own shit. Just saying.
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Wow, I did not realize we have such reactive people on here. Maybe I should have. I thought we could all have a mature discussion about this. I was not attempting to tell designers what size they should have their elements. I was merely suggesting that if they are that size, as shown in the preview, at full size, stipulate that in the description.
The comment I made about customer service was referring to the idea that is good to full inform your customers. It saves everyone a headache at the end.
And let's be real. In order to make a product that is as user friendly as possible, it is good to keep items larger so that more people, with more preferences would like to and would use them.
If you have the attitude that if you don't like it, too bad.... that is bad CS. You want money, you are selling your products, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
And further, to think that everyone would be ok with a certain size of element and thus choosing for the customer is the same attitude for which you got all upset in my comment. Don't be a hypocrite. Don't get mad assuming I am requiring what the designer does, then expect I accept whatever the designer chooses for me.
This is simple.... designers should make it more user friendly for everyone by just merely keeping their elements larger. That's is it. Simple solution.
Now, proceed to freak out......
LMAO at the idea of 172 getting the following e-mail: "hello, I really like your latest kit but I sure do wish that I could have button 1 an inch bigger and flower 3 big enough to cover half the page. you have a quality issue because you didn't provide me with those items. please correct your mistakes and e-mail me the corrected files." AND THEN COMPLYING. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Don't get mad assuming I am requiring what the designer does, then expect I accept whatever the designer chooses for me.
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That's the point though, isn't it? A designer DOES get to choose for you. She's the fucking designer. If you want more control, learn your GD program and do it yourself.
And BTW this comment of yours: "Wow, I did not realize we have such reactive people on here. Maybe I should have. I thought we could all have a mature discussion about this"
makes me want to tell you to go fuck yourself. This is a smack blog. There's a new friendly blog for you and the link is a page back or so. Don't be surprised if you are the only one there, though, talking to yourself.
Why should a designer "change" her style of designing just to make a couple of customers happy who are not happy with that way of designing? Don't buy, or don't complain. Really kudos to 176. She stated it well, we're not custom creating businesses. And let's be honest, designers can't please everyone. if they resize an element than a customer has a complaint about the color, and if the designer would listen to all that, she would recreate a kit multiple times to even get close to make every customer happy. it's IMPOSSIBLE!
#176, I am not talking about that big. But certain elements like flowers or ribbons, should be at least a certain size because those are the elements that gets used as bigger elements. Those are the ones that get used in several sizes on a page.
And I am not a designer. I am a paying customer that likes to have larger flowers, ribbons and other various elements.
I am not sure where this attitude comes from when it comes to designers. If you are creating kits and we can take it or leave it, then you must not care about the money either.
I honestly don't see why it is so hard to accept the idea that the customer comes first. If you want their money, they need to be happy.
Why is it so hard to just leave an element a little larger than normal. I am not talking 3x3 inches....(although for some elements it would be nice to have one that size for backings or other things) just a little larger than normal to allow for more manipulation?
Whatever. If that is how these designers run their business, that is totally their prerogative. Now I know.
Hey 178, it's NOT bad CS to expect that a customer should be satisfied with what she purchases.
Do you go into Bed Bath and Beyond and buy a duvet cover, and then write the company and tell them that you wish the blue flowers were more of a teal-blue than a purple-blue, and then ask them to make you a new one to your specifications because you couldn't see the cover up close while it was still in the bag?
Do you buy a greeting card and then complain to the company that you wish it was a different font?
You can SEE the contents of a kit in the preview. If you don't feel the preview offers a good enough look, then freaking e-mail the designer to ask questions, or else MOVE ON TO A NEW PRODUCT. But to piss and moan because you wish a flower was larger? Honestly?!
Alright, I give up..... whatever. It is not changing a designers style to leave them larger. It is not requiring anything of anyone. Just a preference, and if the designer cares about money, then they should care about customer's preferences. PERIOD. It is really not that big of a deal.... but I am glad you all got your panties in a wad over it.
I am also glad that you are all so unstable that reading a short comment insights you to swearing with such crass.
To each their own.
I'm 176 and I was replying/referring to 172, who DID in fact mention that she feels that a 2.5 inch or 3 inch button is reasonable whereas a 6 inch button is not. In all truth, I think anything bigger than a 1-2 inch button is testing the boundaries of sanity. Nobody scraps bigger than 12x12 or 12x24, and a button that's bigger than 1-2 inches would look like it came from another dimension in a weird parallel universe filled with giants and unicorns.
If you have an opinion that differs from mine, then you should probably shop somewhere else and I am not saying that to be an asshole. I am honestly trying to make you understand that digiscrap designers are actually NOT trying to cater to your needs. They are thinking up ideas for products that excite them, and creating those products, and selling them. They hope you will like those products, but if you don't they're not going to alter those products for you. It's artwork. Asking for them to design in your style is crazy. It's the customer's job to determine which designers create in a style that suits them, and follow those designers. There are plenty of us to choose from. We know we aren't all going to be your cup of tea, but to expect us to try? You're losing it.
Do you go into Bed Bath and Beyond and buy a duvet cover, and then write the company and tell them that you wish the blue flowers were more of a teal-blue than a purple-blue, and then ask them to make you a new one to your specifications because you couldn't see the cover up close while it was still in the bag?
Do you buy a greeting card and then complain to the company that you wish it was a different font?
With these items, you know what you are getting because you have it in hand. Not the same thing, but nice stretch to try and prove your point.
You can SEE the contents of a kit in the preview. If you don't feel the preview offers a good enough look, then freaking e-mail the designer to ask questions, or else MOVE ON TO A NEW PRODUCT. But to piss and moan because you wish a flower was larger? Honestly?!
Then I would be ridiculed for emailing the designer as one person above already did. I just would like to know what I am buying before hand. Emailing would be "ridiculous" (from what has been said here), and if it is not stated in the preview that the items in the preview are actual size, then how am I to know. I just assume that they would be left a tad bigger to allow for more preferences.
But from this experience, I have learned a big lesson.
But really, for a designer to have the idea that they don't explain in the preview and then ridicule the customer, whether on here or whatever, for asking, and they should just take what they get? How is that good customer service. That is arrogance.
And just for your information too... I never emailed the designer and asked them to redo it, or to change it.
But I know if I designed a kit and someone thought they were too small, I would want to know. But I guess I care more about who would be paying me.
It reinforces my opinion that most of the people posting here are designers. If they weren't then they wouldn't be getting so upset over the size of elements or customers telling them what size to make them.
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176 - 185 you're my cup of tea.
186, if we're arrogant, you beat us to it. You want us to change our way of designing just to meet your preferences. Like I said before, if we do that, we also have to change the color cause customer B doesn't like the color of that item, customer C wants a different texture, and customer D likes it but wants the product without that element...really, you think we jump, sit, roll over and play dead, just to please all of the handful of customers who are complaining about that product?
and designers can't be customers too?
I don't care what size a button is to be honest. I can design my layout around that. I do, however, hate jagged elements. Those are not so easy to deal with.
you can try to smooth them, but actually that's the designers responsibility, you're right that's a no-no 192
Do you get to change the size of an actual paper scrapping product? No you do not. Digital allows you some flexibility, but you shouldn't expect to be able to have everything you want just because it's digital. It's a collection of items, bundled as a kit, created to coordinate so you can use it to document your life. It's created in the vision of the designer who created it.
If I buy a Basic Grey collection and decide I wish the sticker embellishments were bigger, that's just too bad. If I buy a digital kit and wish I could have the stickers bigger, that's also just too bad. Do you e-mail Basic Grey about how they should have provided you with choices? Or smack them for not giving you 3 sizes of stickers? Not usually, I would assume.
The beauty of digital is that you can alter things to suit your needs, but that does not mean it's a right and that you should expect designers to go out of their way to create something that adheres to your personal standards.
I hope that makes sense to you without coming off as crass.
I have a question about Quality Control. Is that the designers responsibility or the store owners?. I do know that some designers have QC girls.
I'm for both 195, cause even designers are human and can have a slip now and then. And also I ask my CT to see if there are issues when they work with my products.
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I totally get your point. You do make sense to me. Can I ask you this though, if you bought a kit and the elements were blurry or jagged, would you be upset? I would be livid, as it's really hard to work with blurry or jagged elements. I think in that case I should be allowed to contact the store or designer and not get an attitude.
that's a quality issue and not a design issue. 2 totally different things IMO
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