What would you have considered a "proper" procedure to inform the customers from DSW about where all the designers were going after the closure? We often read what people dislike (or think is wrong), but not what they think should have been.
I think if you're going to start again with a whole new name, you can't import your newsletter subscribers. Those subscribers did subscribe for DSW, not for the new one. I think this is plain rude.
I agree that importing the list to use it later is not the way to go. If the new owner of the new site, with all the old designers was to use that list for ONE send, to inform customers (who likely subscribed to know about the releases of those designers, whatever the site name or color is), then I might be annoyed on one hand (because they took my info without permission), but also thankful that I would know where to go from now on.
It is like receiving a Thank you email from a store/designer I didn`t subscribe to, once I complete a purchase. I would not consider it spam, even if I didn't explicitely give permission to email me, as long as it is single email and not more than that.
It would have been proper to inform people via a DSW newsletter while the site was still active and link them to the new store's newsletter to subscribe if they wanted.
But, unless it states that they WONT sell your email address, they can give their mailing list to whomever they choose.
You might consider that spam, but you agreed to the terms when you signed-up.
Sounds like unnecessary panties in a wad. Who cares, the list was there, they used it to tell you they'd moved to a new site. Don't like it? Unsubscribe and move on with your life.
I think if you're going to start again with a whole new name, you can't import your newsletter subscribers. Those subscribers did subscribe for DSW, not for the new one. I think this is plain rude.
------------- I think this is splitting hair. They subscribed to know about the products from the designers there, not based on the URL, or the store name or even the owner's name. If all the products and the designers are moved together to a new location, I don't see why one would NOT want to keep getting the same information. Same designers, same products, same prices. Isn't that what people subscribe for?
A lot can happen behind the scene and the customers or even designers might not know. Then of course, some people will assume all kinds of scenarios. There are numerous reasons why a store owner would want to close a store. Then, there are other reasons for designers to want to stay together too.
The mailing list belongs to the store, and not to the designers. If the store owner elected to announce the new site in the official "closing" newsletter, that's fine, but to give the list to the new store is very irresponsible.
If someone had stepped up and bought the store from the owner, that would be okay.
If you were subscribed, take this as your chance to unsubscribe. You'll be doing yourself a favor in the long run.
See that was my point too #11, doesn't matter if it's all about the same designers in the new store or the same products, just because it's the same doesn't mean you can treat it the same...if so you should still use the name DSW if you want to use the subscibers info IMO.
#6..... That is pretty bad! That is not inspired from... that is the exact characters! I do not know of any other mermaid story that has Ursela, so I am pretty sure they just took the idea. That is stealing in my opinion.
I'm #2, so I went to look on the DSW site. Since they DO have a statement that says they wont "reuse" your information, I can see why everyone is upset.
I'm not a subscriber and never was, but what are you subscribers going to do about it? (just curious, not being snotty)
Here is their privacy statement:
We respect your privacy!
Any and all the information collected on this site will be kept strictly confidential and will not be sold, reused, rented, disclosed, or loaned!
Any information you provide will be held with the utmost care and will not be used in ways that you have not consented to. If you have any questions, please feel free to call or e-mail us.
well the fish is too, how is that one called in english? LOL the blue and yellow one. And than Sebastian, they're more cartoonish but def. the same! I thought the same thing with her snowwhite and alice kit.
Not all the dsw designers were automatically transported to the new store. There were some invites to the new store (to existing dsw designers). Some chose to go and some didn't. But they wouldve had to physically set all their products up all over again. It wasn't just a matter of flipping a switch. I don't really care about the newsletter to be honest. If I don't like what I see I will just unsub.
The new Professional Scrap Designs website is hideous. They're "professionals" and that's the best they can come up with?
I contacted MailChimp, too and explained the situation (getting messages from PSD when I never signed up for their list and suspect that I was imported from DSW). Not expecting a response but did want to make MailChimp aware that someone may be abusing their (MailChimp's) policy.
What’s up with ScrapMatters these days? Is the site closing or closed and I missed the announcement? I went over there during nsd and the forum was practically dead. Just checked in on it today and saw that there have only been 7 layouts uploaded in the gallery for all of today. What’s up with that? Where is the admin, have they fled the site expecting it to maintain itself?
I noticed a slow site at SM too. A lot of ppl are always bragging about how great SM is but I never really understood. I have never been overly impressed:(
I just checked their Forum Leaders and do they have a lot of admin floating around that place. Where are they? What are they doing, if anything for the site?
Also I noticed that in the main forum area, only two forums have been posted in today. Not only does the admin seem vacant, but the forums are dead as well.
You're dumb if you think just because you're old enough to have lived in the 60's/70's that you get to dictate what other people create when they're making art. --------
Stupid argument. Just because I'm doing something for fun, doesn't mean I don't mind earning money from it. May 16, 2012 6:17:00 PM
I think that was the OP's point... If you're in a store and not making money, stop saying you're just doing it for fun. You can do something for fun and for money, but I, too, have heard a lot of designers making $50/month say, "Oh well, I'm just doing this for fun."
Good grief who the heck thinks they have the right to tell someone else what they are and aren't doing for fun?
I do some other things for fun, too, that I also make money on - like Mystery Shopping - it's a fun way to make a few bucks but it's rarely a significant income. I'm going to shop and head to restaurants anyway, so I do it this way and I can make a few bucks.
I also set up movie displays - they are fun - I make less than $100 bucks a month from it but I enjoy it - and I probably wouldn't enjoy it if I tried to do it enough to make a significant income.
That's no different than designing for fun and selling in a store. I'm going to play with Photoshop and hone my skills anyway, because it's fun, so why not make a few bucks from it? I probably could make more if I pushed myself to release regularly and promote more, but I don't want to do that because I don't want it to stop being fun and start being work.
A few fun things that make a few bucks make me as much as working part time at our local grocery store which is very much not fun. I actually think its fun to always be on the lookout for fun ways to make a few bucks!
I think we'd all like to make a few extra bucks out of doing something we really enjoy. I'd love to make cards and sell them at craft shows. Would I be able to quit my day job? No, but I'd have a few extra bucks that I could put towards non-essentials like digi items, going to the movies, etc. I'd love it if someone would pay me for watching TV too! Does that mean I'm only watching for the money? No - it's a bonus!
Not everyone needs a second income. Everyone makes choices. In our life, my DH's income provides for our needs and we've made some sacrifices because we want me to SAH with our children. For us that choice means a limited budget in some areas, so yes, I started to design in order to have my own little income for things that I wanted and weren't in our budget. Not everyone needs designing to be a "second income." We've chosen the route of a smaller home, used cars, no iphones, eating most meals at home etc. and we do not count on my design income for anything in our lifestyle. And yes, I do make a lot more than $50 a month, but that's still my fun money.
#39 - while I appreciate what you're trying to say you do come across a bit precious. There are a lot of designers who do design for a second income because times are tough. I work and I design because we need the money - not every family can afford to be a one income family - even when you do scrimp and save - which we do all the time. Often times the designers who design for "fun money" spend all their fun money buying CU, recycling tired palettes and generally putting out half hearted attempts at "designing". Maybe you do - maybe you don't. But a lot do just that.
I design so I can take that money and spend it on myself. My job pays the bills and buys groceries and supports me fully and I only work about 4-6 hours a day.
I don't give a shit if I make $20 or $2,000 a month scrapping. Either way, it's fun money so the more I make, the more I spend on crap I don't really need anyway. I couldn't do designing full-time because I need to make so much a month to survive and I can't rely on that in retail sales of digital scrapbook designing. In order to be able to make that, I'd be putting in much more than 40 hours a week. I won't work harder if I don't have to.
So, yeah, it's a fun hobby that I enjoy doing so I can make some fun money.
#40 - I think you missed the point of my post which was that there are both types of designers. I acknowledge that there are those who design to contribute to the family finances. My post was in response to 29 who implies that those who don't make a ton of money can't possibly be happy with it. The post also implies that no one is in it for fun. I disagree. While I do see this as a business, I think I would have to still put myself in the for fun category since I could walk away right now because this money does not contribute to our household operating expenses. Building a business in this industry is a hell of a lot of work and I can absolutely see that it may be more work than some are wanting to put in and they are perfectly happy to not spend the time promoting their products and brand or spending the money that it takes to advertise properly. Maybe some are lying to cover up their true feelings but I think it's short sighted to say that someone can't make $50 a month and be perfectly happy with it. And my dear, there is nothing in life that I don't strive to be the best at, so make all the assumptions you want about me, but at the end of the day, my monthly earnings are easily within the upper third of all designers. Yes, it's "fun" money but my fun money buys me really nice stuff.
Wow #42. At first I was on your "side", but now you just sound like a complete a-hole. I don't understand why you have to rub in the fact that you aren't working for the money and get to buy yourself "really nice stuff" to people who are struggling to make ends meet.
There comes a point where you need to let something go... and that time has past.
In lighter news... Faith True is retiring. The designers at SO are dropping like flies. I also heard Kay Miller is taking a break from design and went to leave SO, but Kami begged her to stay. Why beg someone to stay if they're not designing? You have to be hard-up for that....
#46 - Who would really miss SM? And SO took half of SM's designers... did they really think that was going to help save their sinking ship?
I think SO has some big earners (all stores do), but the disparity of income between designers like SuzyQ/Captivated Visions and Dream Big/Meredith Cardall is too vast to be a formula for success.
It puts the fate of your store on just a small handful of big earners, so if they leave (for whatever reason), your store risks closing.
Given the things I've seen and heard about SO, I'd say they're definitely feeling the pinch these days. I'd love to see Captivated Visions move to TLP where she's currently guesting. I don't know if I think she's earning $3000/month, but even if it's $2000, she's doing well for the store and I love to see SO take the kit of her leaving.
Didn't say I'll miss SM, didn't shop there in over 2 years, but back in those days SM was supposed to be in the top 5 of stores, now they're just sinking to nowhere. It's like they're in panic, taking designers on who wouldn't make the cut in 1000 years when they were that populair.
With all the stores that seemed to be stable, but end up with either a closing or a downward spiral, which one is going to be the next big surprise? Any guesses?
Sounds like someone who got turned down to design or ct there trashing them to me.
I'd be really surprised if SO is doing as badly as some of you are assuming. Designers retire every summer. It's the slow season, and everybody knows it. I've seen alot of designers retiring from other stores lately too.
Sounds like someone who got turned down to design or ct there trashing them to me.
I'd be really surprised if SO is doing as badly as some of you are assuming. Designers retire every summer. It's the slow season, and everybody knows it. I've seen alot of designers retiring from other stores lately too.
Ditto. What I don't see is lots of designers leaving SO for other stores, which would suggest things aren't going well.
Uhm, Tracie Stroud, Captivated Visions, and Jady Day Studio all applied for SSD. There could have been more, but I know those three for sure.
Jady Day did leave SO for SSD and most of the designers there who I would also consider "big earners" are doing guest spots here and there or have done 1 or more in the last year.
Most designers don't do guest spots if they're not shopping around.
#63- I'm not Laura. I just can't see her making as little as $800 a month. She releases pretty regularly. #64- I don't even know Kami at all. Care to elaborate?
Anyone else suddenly getting strange spam, like within the last week? My digi-scrap only e-mail has been getting daily (if not more often!) "irs" spam. I'm thinking someone sold their e-mail list.
Regarding Professional Scrap Designs using the DSW mailing list, here's the response I got from MailChimp. Good luck to PSD proving that I signed up for their list because I did not.
"Thanks for reporting this to MailChimp! We appreciate your diligence in ensuring the account is properly handled.
When we receive a direct complaint, the email address is immediately removed from the list. We also disable the sender's account until we receive proof that the recipient signed up for the sender's mailing list. If the account holder cannot prove this, the account will remain permanently suspended.
We assure you that your address has been removed from the sender's list.
Feel free to email us back if you have any questions or concerns!"
I'm still wondering how that person figured out those estimated incomes. I can't see some of those designers either making that much or that little money.
I cannot stand Laura B - as a designer or person -
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Why? I never figured out what people's problem is with her. I have known her for quite awhile, and I think she's super sweet. No bitchiness that I've seen, at least no more than anyone else I know.
The number of times I've seen people smacked on here and their only crime is that they are sarcastic and smart. I don't know Laura, so can't say about her, but with others I've interacted with it's certainly true.
#76 - she gave her reasons in the post - did you miss it? Here, I'll post it for you again
I based my guesses upon how active they are releasing new products, whether they sell CU or not, and how many products I think they move/month based upon my own knowledge of how much I move/month.
Laura B is one of those people who is nice to your face when she feels like it and trash talks you behind your back. So, the nicer she is to your face, I would bet the more she trashes you to others.
She never managed to make sales quotas at previous stores she was in - to her own admission. I was shocked when she landed a spot at SO to begin with knowing how little $$ she made/month at the time. I think $800/month is generous even considering her products are better than they were a couple years ago.
I have to agree with #82. I know Laura on a personal level and she can be a bitch. I also know she didn't make much when she was at TDC or before then.
Laura B is one of those people who is nice to your face when she feels like it and trash talks you behind your back. So, the nicer she is to your face, I would bet the more she trashes you to others. ------
So what? I honestly don't care about how people talk about me behind their backs, that is their problem and not mine. As long as they are nice to me face to face, I don't care what they say about me behind closed doors. Unless, of course, it spills into my life, then I'll care, maybe. It would depend on the circumstances.
#85 - what's nice to know? That someone can talk shit about someone else on a smack blog. Yeah, I guess that is nice to know. Unless you have had a personal negative run in with Laura, what anyone else says about her is irrelevant. It's your experience that counts, not theirs.
I can bet that someone is going accuse me of being Laura.
#86 - you really don't care if someone you consider your friend talks behind your back? I think you're more mental than LB. I wouldn't be shocked if you were best friends. Perfect for each other.
#82 - I've seen LB post her sales $$ in forums before, too, and I was very shocked to see her at SO because they were SICK low. I thought the OP was generous with $800, but I would hope all the designers at SO with all their hype, would be making at least that.
Sounds like it came out of nowhere. The store just opened Jan 1st and didn't they just open their forum? According to their Facebook page, they were looking to add a few designers on April 11th and now a month later, they are closing?
Jac spends all her time screwing around on Facebook with Carly to have any time to run a store. She'd be on FB all day while her staff were scurring to actually do things for the site... I'm sure they all got tired and then Jac realized she might actually have to work to run a store and site so she decided to close instead.
Just a little late in the conversation, but there were mentions of store quotas a little while back. I posted a question to discuss (not to smack) on the "other blog". Care to go comment? In case you don't remember the link: http://digiscrap-chat.blogspot.ca/
(maybe this blog owner could have that link visible on the side?)
#98- I have never heard of store quota's. I didn't realize that you had to meet a quota in a store. If so then how so some of these shittier designers stay in business?
@ 99 - There was a mention in post #82 and in previous pages too, so I got curious. And I am not sure it is everywhere (because, as you say, how come some of those "designers" stay in business??). In fact, I never sold where there was a monthly quota to meet, so I don't know much about it.
I don't think most stores have quotas. I've heard that SO, TDC, and SBG have them. I'm not sure if any others do, but I think it would be good business for an owner to have a low one in any store. Even if it was $25. If a designer can't sell 5 kits a month, it's not worth it to have them taking up server space. And I believe that there are many more designers out there that there are far more designers out there that don't do $25 a month than many people realize. If more owners had a quota, there wouldn't be as many designer in 5 stores and it would weed things out some. Of course some of the top tier stores can have higher quotas and rightly so.
I guess it would give a bit of a reason to treat this as a "business", even if it is just for fun. Maybe it will also weed out some of the products that do not sell, or are less "marketable" but might look for a designer to have 150 products in a store, even though 130 of them are more or less useless.
Damayanti was speaking of Scrapbook Art Avenue closing...kimla (former A5D) was running it, and now its just her personal store. Don't know about MSS.
Gotta Pixel has a quota of $200 per month...SM used to have that same quota, not sure if they still do after the fiasco there. SBG has a quota, but not sure of the exact amount. Places like TDC have a 'low end' quota. If you sell less than $50 in a pay period, or maybe its a month, I don't really remember - then you pay a $5 server fee.
Since Damayanti's post was made earlier today, and the message from Jac about MSS closing (effective June 1st, FYI) was made within the previous day, I'm betting that's the store she was referring to.
I feel like I am a pretty goo designer and I don;t make that kind of money. I am in a pretty good, well known store, but that is the only store I am in. I am wondering if that is the reason why. These designers that make thousands a month.... how many stores are they in?
Adding multiple stores might help with sales because one is touching more customers, BUT considering the time required for repackaging, uploading, and marketing, and participating in collabs, forum, etc. maybe it ends up cutting time available to design. So, maybe having two stores (like those guesting) could be good, but when you get to 4 or 5 stores, then, I would not be so sure.
One, usually the stores they sell in require exclusivity. I know of several designers who bring in that amount that are in stores who do not reqiure exclusivity and only 1 sells in multiple stores.
I would assume tnat it is not just a matter of store, but also a matter of designer. I wonder if any designer has seen a SHARP increase in sales by changing store (which would mean in that case that the store is a HUGE factor), or if those designers would make more or less the same amount wherever they sell (within reason, of course). Just curious.
I have a few designer friends that are both making 1500-2500 a month. One is at SBG and the other at PBP and neither of them are that well known (at least they don't generally make the top 10 or 20 list you see discussed on here). Neither of them have more than one shop either.
My best guesses - SO, SBG, SSD, A5D, TLP, TDC, SHC..........I think that's all pretty obvious. However, there are several stores on here that have been smacked as "crap" etc. where there are 1-2 designers pulling in those types of numbers, so if you are good, you can do it almost anywhere.
I can see that. Stores of that size usually do have a couple, I would guess that there are several at Shabby Pickle, Digital Scrapbooking Studio, maybe Ginger Scraps.....there's usually 1 or 2.
Anyone ever have any luck selling at Scrappity-doo-dah? Is it hard to get in at Scrapbook-bytes? I have just been displaced and have to find a new home.
take a look at SDD ...um..anyone can get in. FPD is fresh outta designers...they would take you. SBB. Amy never answers emails.
Wow I just looked at FPD and their designer list is short! Didn't realize it. Once I applied for a guest spot at SBB. She asked for a sample and then all of a sudden my emails started bouncing from there. I even PMed Amy and no response.
this place wants designers (perhaps they should get one to do thier website. can you say ew??
http://rbldesignz.com/
there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in.
I wonder if any designer has seen a SHARP increase in sales by changing store (which would mean in that case that the store is a HUGE factor), or if those designers would make more or less the same amount wherever they sell (within reason, of course). Just curious. ---------
I did once when I changes stores. My sales in the first few months were almost quadruple what I had previously earned. It dropped down to about half later, but I always had steady sales at that store. Then it dropped down to almost nothing and I couldn't work out why, however, when I did work it out, I just resigned from designing.
Ok, so does anyone know what's up with Deca Designs? She was supposed to retire in April, all her stuff was on sale. Then it was extended during iNSD and now her stuff is still in store?
Can you block posts from a person you're not friends with on Facebook? That Carly Dee drives me insane, I can not stand her moronic rambling and gratuitous foul language. I am not a pearl clutcher, but there is something about her that grates on my nerves something fierce. I'm very tempted to unfriend anyone who is friends with her so I don't have to remember to skim over her comments on other people's posts anymore, she gets on my nerves that badly.
#144- There is always going to be someone on facebook that annoys you. I have a few people that get on my nerves badly like that. I'm not sure if you can block people you aren't friends with. Why not just ask them to tone down on what they post on other peoples pages?
You should be able to unsubscribe from them. Just click on the arrow off to the right corner of that post and there should be an option to unsubscribe. They will never know you did it either. Not saying you care, but nice to know it won;t cause problems for them because they won;t find out.
You have to be friends to unsubscribe. Find a post where she comments, click in her name, then report/block her. You do not have to 'report', just block. Easy.
#144- Why don't you just go to the girls who have her as a facebook friend and get them to ask her to tone down on what she says on their page. What is the point of coming here? You're more likely to find an answer if you asked one of your friends first.
All I did was click on the persons name, went to their timeline and clicked report/block. I had to do this with Lizzy because she irritated me. She was always popping up in comments of my facebook friends. It has been heaven.
#153- With Lizzy it's not really about her being annoying for me, it's her thinking she is better than everyone else. When she talks I feel like she talks down to people.
I had to block Laura Wilson aka emmasmommy @ SSD (i think). I got tired of seeing her think she is better than everyone else. She is not a very nice person at all. Thankfully, I am not facebook friends with her. Nor do I have to see her stupid comments anymore. If only I could go into the forums and not see her at all, I would be happy.
I don't mind Carly but I get tired of her status updates about how many purses, books, clothes, etc that she buys. She's always posting about shopping sprees and how much money she spent and all that. The other day she also posted about hurting her back while bending over her headboard while having sex with her hubby. Who puts that on FB? You love to go on shopping sprees with your husbands money and talk about sex, we get it.
#158- I took that update as a joke, by the way. I can't believe you would think she was serious. I'm not saying I agree with all she posts but it is her page. I don't always have to read everything and she has never done anything to me. Let me ask you something. Who cares what someone posts? Really? It is really easy to unsubscribe to someone. Do you think maybe she may post that stuff because she know it annoys people?
Funny #161, you type just like Carly starting a new line with every sentence. Kind of like her status she JUST posted.
"hmm i would like to know who posts my status updates on the smack blog? anyone care to admit to it? i know its someone on my list? FYI- me being a money succubus was a freaking joke. if you take half the shit i say seriously your a dumbass. Specially shit like that. feel free to post this on the smack blog while your at it good thing i read it and keep up to date with all the shit talking in the community."
Number 62, you are an idiot. CV did not apply to SSD. Your FACTS are a little screwy.
Number 162, ummmm that 161 post was clearly not Carly, posting her update only proves it. And really, posting something someone says on their private FB when you have access to it is just tacky.
I'm #144 and thanks for the info! Just for the record, I wouldn't approach Carly or ask my friends to approach her. That's why I asked about ways to block her, I'd prefer to find a solution on my end rather than ask someone else to change the way they behave on their own page with their own friends.
IMO Carly is very insecure. Her loud, bitchy, crass, I don’t give an F attitude doesn’t fool me. Look at the way she is constantly pimping out different things. Hell I think close to 80% of her FB friends are digi people. It’s like she needs the constant compliments and you are awesomes from people. She will post that she isn’t a suck up and she doesn’t play the brown nose game, but she is one of the worst offenders.
I will say one thing, if you want to see a different side of people read how they talk on her page. When I was FB friends with her I was surprised at how people who I thought I knew really presented themselves. And since she obviously reads here I am sure this will get posted on her page for her and her friends to laugh about but whatever.
If you want no owner involvement and sporadic sales, go to SDD. _______________________________________________
So true. I was there for awhile and the owner was pretty much non-existent. If you're setting up your store and have any questions - don't expect any help. There's no one and that's sad. Sales were horrible too but the site CT are a great bunch of friendly women who basically keep the forum alive.
Anyone know what happened to Digi Scraps Drive-In? I sold there when it first opened and decided to go back and visit, but the store is pretty much vacant and the forum is gone.
I think 130 was mean too. Not the designers fault the store owner was a loon. You can't run a brand new store and play on FB app's all day. Half the designers left are good & if they have a contract or something you can't blame them for not bailing like so many others did. And I LMAO at 156-you read my mind! Blah blah blah-constantly, I can't believe people want that girl on their creative team.
MSS being taken over by Charly? You mean the woman who cannot type to save her life? It's like nails on a chalkboard reading her DST posts. Plus, she closed a store to open another store, now addin an additional store? Good luck MSS people!
DSDI died because the owner got a life, from what I read. Owning a store takes effort, if you don't have effort to give, might as well close up shop.
MSS was a good site. Before Jac opened up the store, it was a really cool place to post your layouts. The blog had various different designers they featured, GSO's etc etc. I'm not sure opening a store on a site that was already well-known as a gallery site was a good move.
#156- I would rather read about all that than read about how depressed people are, what they cooked for dinner (with pictures also), PMS, designers whining about their mojo being gone. I am sure you have some people like that on your page. Well all do.
177- GSO;s are just a way of pimping their own products... case in point todays gallery standouts http://gallerystandouts.com/fingerpointing/ is hosted by PInk reptile , guess which 2 layouts uses her products!! Totally impartial NOT...
This thread: http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=303055
Ok I have to say it. WHO THE HELL WOULD BOTHER DOING THAT?
There have been sites shared on here and on facebook that have over 900 pages of pirated kits. They are not hard to find and they require 0 effort to download.
This copyright rubbish in digiland is getting ridiculous. Your designs aren't as amazing as you like to think they are. Your work is definitely NOT worth the effort it would take to "extract" things to use. If I've paid for your kit and I've not shared it with anyone, that's my bit. Im done. I dont have to credit you in damn layouts I upload - it's not my job to provide you with advertising. be please people are buying it at all.
#186- I am feeling the same way you are. All that over a full resolution layout on a flickr photostream?. Do designers really get picky like that? So they think that someone will download your page, and extract it instead of BUYING it? Just wondering why someone would go to the effort to do that.
All the things one has to do at Charly's store she owns. Something about participating in certain sales, collabs etc. Plus you only get 80% of all your sales after paypal fees. She said it was alot to do for what she pays you pretty much. It really wasn't that mean or nasty.
So what did the divine Miss Kimmerick have to say? ------------------ Read the post right after that one. She probably said the same thing but with more colorful language. Isn't that usually what happens when someone notices their name appear when they don't want? They usually just report in a more "polite" way. No wonder she didn't want to post as herself if you are going to treat her like that.
thank you #197. yes, i am a designer...and a scrapper. while i don't REQUIRE you post credit to me when posting your layouts, i think it is more of a courtesy than anything. but why not say what kit you used? is it really that hard?
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 2608 Newer› Newest»What would you have considered a "proper" procedure to inform the customers from DSW about where all the designers were going after the closure? We often read what people dislike (or think is wrong), but not what they think should have been.
I think if you're going to start again with a whole new name, you can't import your newsletter subscribers. Those subscribers did subscribe for DSW, not for the new one. I think this is plain rude.
I agree that importing the list to use it later is not the way to go. If the new owner of the new site, with all the old designers was to use that list for ONE send, to inform customers (who likely subscribed to know about the releases of those designers, whatever the site name or color is), then I might be annoyed on one hand (because they took my info without permission), but also thankful that I would know where to go from now on.
It is like receiving a Thank you email from a store/designer I didn`t subscribe to, once I complete a purchase. I would not consider it spam, even if I didn't explicitely give permission to email me, as long as it is single email and not more than that.
It would have been proper to inform people via a DSW newsletter while the site was still active and link them to the new store's newsletter to subscribe if they wanted.
But, unless it states that they WONT sell your email address, they can give their mailing list to whomever they choose.
You might consider that spam, but you agreed to the terms when you signed-up.
Sounds like unnecessary panties in a wad. Who cares, the list was there, they used it to tell you they'd moved to a new site. Don't like it? Unsubscribe and move on with your life.
I think if you're going to start again with a whole new name, you can't import your newsletter subscribers. Those subscribers did subscribe for DSW, not for the new one. I think this is plain rude.
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I think this is splitting hair. They subscribed to know about the products from the designers there, not based on the URL, or the store name or even the owner's name. If all the products and the designers are moved together to a new location, I don't see why one would NOT want to keep getting the same information. Same designers, same products, same prices. Isn't that what people subscribe for?
if it's all the same, why close DSW in the first place? Someone could stand up and take it over, instead of open a whole new store.
idk, but how far can you stretch "inspiration from"? This is the little mermaid, same colors only more charicatured (or how do you spell that)
same colors, same figures.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3184153#post3184153
A lot can happen behind the scene and the customers or even designers might not know. Then of course, some people will assume all kinds of scenarios. There are numerous reasons why a store owner would want to close a store. Then, there are other reasons for designers to want to stay together too.
The mailing list belongs to the store, and not to the designers. If the store owner elected to announce the new site in the official "closing" newsletter, that's fine, but to give the list to the new store is very irresponsible.
If someone had stepped up and bought the store from the owner, that would be okay.
If you were subscribed, take this as your chance to unsubscribe. You'll be doing yourself a favor in the long run.
^^ Irresponsible, and possibly even illegal.
agree with #8
I subscribed to the DSW mailing list, not some other store. DSW no longer exists, so therefore any subscription I had with them no longer exists also.
Providing my details to someone else to use for whatever reason is just plain wrong!
See that was my point too #11, doesn't matter if it's all about the same designers in the new store or the same products, just because it's the same doesn't mean you can treat it the same...if so you should still use the name DSW if you want to use the subscibers info IMO.
is Valentina "guilty" of © infringement for her Disney inspired kits? I was wondering myself #6. I always thought if you could still see where the derivate work is made from it's © infringement, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know much about it.
#6..... That is pretty bad! That is not inspired from... that is the exact characters! I do not know of any other mermaid story that has Ursela, so I am pretty sure they just took the idea. That is stealing in my opinion.
I'm #2, so I went to look on the DSW site. Since they DO have a statement that says they wont "reuse" your information, I can see why everyone is upset.
I'm not a subscriber and never was, but what are you subscribers going to do about it? (just curious, not being snotty)
Here is their privacy statement:
We respect your privacy!
Any and all the information collected on this site will be kept strictly confidential and will not be sold, reused, rented, disclosed, or loaned!
Any information you provide will be held with the utmost care and will not be used in ways that you have not consented to. If you have any questions, please feel free to call or e-mail us.
http://www.digiscrapwarehouse.com/xcart/help.php?section=business
And then she has the nerve to put her own copyright on it. It is not hers to copyright!
This one, I think yes. It's just too darn close to the Disney characters, in form and coloring IMO. Especially the Ursula.
well the fish is too, how is that one called in english? LOL the blue and yellow one. And than Sebastian, they're more cartoonish but def. the same! I thought the same thing with her snowwhite and alice kit.
Not all the dsw designers were automatically transported to the new store.
There were some invites to the new store (to existing dsw designers).
Some chose to go and some didn't. But they wouldve had to physically set all their products up all over again. It wasn't just a matter of flipping a switch.
I don't really care about the newsletter to be honest. If I don't like what I see I will just unsub.
The new Professional Scrap Designs website is hideous. They're "professionals" and that's the best they can come up with?
I contacted MailChimp, too and explained the situation (getting messages from PSD when I never signed up for their list and suspect that I was imported from DSW). Not expecting a response but did want to make MailChimp aware that someone may be abusing their (MailChimp's) policy.
Well curious what mailchimp will do or say when they do respond.
What’s up with ScrapMatters these days? Is the site closing or closed and I missed the announcement? I went over there during nsd and the forum was practically dead. Just checked in on it today and saw that there have only been 7 layouts uploaded in the gallery for all of today. What’s up with that? Where is the admin, have they fled the site expecting it to maintain itself?
What’s the scoop on the inactivity at SM?
I noticed a slow site at SM too. A lot of ppl are always bragging about how great SM is but I never really understood. I have never been overly impressed:(
I just checked their Forum Leaders and do they have a lot of admin floating around that place. Where are they? What are they doing, if anything for the site?
Also I noticed that in the main forum area, only two forums have been posted in today. Not only does the admin seem vacant, but the forums are dead as well.
Maybe SM is closing. Guess we'll see some sort of announcement soon if that's the case.
You're dumb if you think just because you're old enough to have lived in the 60's/70's that you get to dictate what other people create when they're making art.
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I didn't think I get to dictate anything.
If you're only doing it for fun, why are you SELLING in a store? Give it away for free since you're just in it for the fun anyway...
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Stupid argument. Just because I'm doing something for fun, doesn't mean I don't mind earning money from it.
We often read what people dislike (or think is wrong), but not what they think should have been.
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That's because it's easier to complain, than to come up with a viable solution.
Stupid argument. Just because I'm doing something for fun, doesn't mean I don't mind earning money from it.
May 16, 2012 6:17:00 PM
I think that was the OP's point... If you're in a store and not making money, stop saying you're just doing it for fun. You can do something for fun and for money, but I, too, have heard a lot of designers making $50/month say, "Oh well, I'm just doing this for fun."
No, no you're really not.
If you're in a store and not making money, stop saying you're just doing it for fun.
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Why? Because you think I'm not? Sorry to burst your little bubble, but I'm doing it for fun. Any money I get goes to the hobby.
Alot of the designers I know use their money to fund their scrapping.
It must be nice to have a life where the only work you need to do is to fun $50/month to buy scrapbooking supplies...
fund* not fun. ^^
#32 - who said I was only making $50 a month?
Must be nice to be you, everything is so, what's the word, oh yes, simple.
#34 - who said I was referring to you? I was just making a general statement about people who design just to fund their scrapping.
The world only revolves around you in your mind...
Good grief who the heck thinks they have the right to tell someone else what they are and aren't doing for fun?
I do some other things for fun, too, that I also make money on - like Mystery Shopping - it's a fun way to make a few bucks but it's rarely a significant income. I'm going to shop and head to restaurants anyway, so I do it this way and I can make a few bucks.
I also set up movie displays - they are fun - I make less than $100 bucks a month from it but I enjoy it - and I probably wouldn't enjoy it if I tried to do it enough to make a significant income.
That's no different than designing for fun and selling in a store. I'm going to play with Photoshop and hone my skills anyway, because it's fun, so why not make a few bucks from it? I probably could make more if I pushed myself to release regularly and promote more, but I don't want to do that because I don't want it to stop being fun and start being work.
A few fun things that make a few bucks make me as much as working part time at our local grocery store which is very much not fun. I actually think its fun to always be on the lookout for fun ways to make a few bucks!
#34 - who said I was referring to you? I was just making a general statement about people who design just to fund their scrapping.
The world only revolves around you in your mind...
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The fact that you replied to me directly, that's what makes me think you were referring to me.
You were not making a general statement at all. Don't weasel out of it.
I think we'd all like to make a few extra bucks out of doing something we really enjoy. I'd love to make cards and sell them at craft shows. Would I be able to quit my day job? No, but I'd have a few extra bucks that I could put towards non-essentials like digi items, going to the movies, etc. I'd love it if someone would pay me for watching TV too! Does that mean I'm only watching for the money? No - it's a bonus!
Not everyone needs a second income. Everyone makes choices. In our life, my DH's income provides for our needs and we've made some sacrifices because we want me to SAH with our children. For us that choice means a limited budget in some areas, so yes, I started to design in order to have my own little income for things that I wanted and weren't in our budget. Not everyone needs designing to be a "second income." We've chosen the route of a smaller home, used cars, no iphones, eating most meals at home etc. and we do not count on my design income for anything in our lifestyle. And yes, I do make a lot more than $50 a month, but that's still my fun money.
#39 - while I appreciate what you're trying to say you do come across a bit precious. There are a lot of designers who do design for a second income because times are tough. I work and I design because we need the money - not every family can afford to be a one income family - even when you do scrimp and save - which we do all the time. Often times the designers who design for "fun money" spend all their fun money buying CU, recycling tired palettes and generally putting out half hearted attempts at "designing". Maybe you do - maybe you don't. But a lot do just that.
I design so I can take that money and spend it on myself. My job pays the bills and buys groceries and supports me fully and I only work about 4-6 hours a day.
I don't give a shit if I make $20 or $2,000 a month scrapping. Either way, it's fun money so the more I make, the more I spend on crap I don't really need anyway.
I couldn't do designing full-time because I need to make so much a month to survive and I can't rely on that in retail sales of digital scrapbook designing. In order to be able to make that, I'd be putting in much more than 40 hours a week. I won't work harder if I don't have to.
So, yeah, it's a fun hobby that I enjoy doing so I can make some fun money.
Works for me.
#40 - I think you missed the point of my post which was that there are both types of designers. I acknowledge that there are those who design to contribute to the family finances. My post was in response to 29 who implies that those who don't make a ton of money can't possibly be happy with it. The post also implies that no one is in it for fun. I disagree. While I do see this as a business, I think I would have to still put myself in the for fun category since I could walk away right now because this money does not contribute to our household operating expenses. Building a business in this industry is a hell of a lot of work and I can absolutely see that it may be more work than some are wanting to put in and they are perfectly happy to not spend the time promoting their products and brand or spending the money that it takes to advertise properly. Maybe some are lying to cover up their true feelings but I think it's short sighted to say that someone can't make $50 a month and be perfectly happy with it. And my dear, there is nothing in life that I don't strive to be the best at, so make all the assumptions you want about me, but at the end of the day, my monthly earnings are easily within the upper third of all designers. Yes, it's "fun" money but my fun money buys me really nice stuff.
Wow #42. At first I was on your "side", but now you just sound like a complete a-hole. I don't understand why you have to rub in the fact that you aren't working for the money and get to buy yourself "really nice stuff" to people who are struggling to make ends meet.
There comes a point where you need to let something go... and that time has past.
In lighter news... Faith True is retiring. The designers at SO are dropping like flies. I also heard Kay Miller is taking a break from design and went to leave SO, but Kami begged her to stay. Why beg someone to stay if they're not designing? You have to be hard-up for that....
Wondering what the upper-third of all designers is?
WoW SM is going down, SO designers are going...wtf is happening in this business lately?
Wondering what the upper-third of all designers is?
May 17, 2012 12:08:00 PM
They're apparently no longer at SO.
#46 - Who would really miss SM? And SO took half of SM's designers... did they really think that was going to help save their sinking ship?
I think SO has some big earners (all stores do), but the disparity of income between designers like SuzyQ/Captivated Visions and Dream Big/Meredith Cardall is too vast to be a formula for success.
It puts the fate of your store on just a small handful of big earners, so if they leave (for whatever reason), your store risks closing.
Given the things I've seen and heard about SO, I'd say they're definitely feeling the pinch these days. I'd love to see Captivated Visions move to TLP where she's currently guesting. I don't know if I think she's earning $3000/month, but even if it's $2000, she's doing well for the store and I love to see SO take the kit of her leaving.
*kit should be hit, but that's kinda funny lol
Wow, I wanted to join SO, but now I'm second guessing that. Though I still think they are a fun store.
Why would anyone be surprised if SM closed? They were going to close 6 months ago and decided last minute not to.
Didn't say I'll miss SM, didn't shop there in over 2 years, but back in those days SM was supposed to be in the top 5 of stores, now they're just sinking to nowhere. It's like they're in panic, taking designers on who wouldn't make the cut in 1000 years when they were that populair.
If that's the case #51 I wasn't aware of that...than they should have closed instead of doing this weird panic dance to grasp thin threads.
With all the stores that seemed to be stable, but end up with either a closing or a downward spiral, which one is going to be the next big surprise? Any guesses?
I think Laura B makes more than $800 a month.
My question would be...why? What happens behind the scene? Is it the oversaturated market? The "fun" is out of it?
a5d, and no I don't have inside information, but that would be a shocker (for me though)
Scrap Orchard having issues would shock me. After the whole love fest at Digi-Palooza, I can see they have alot of people who love that store.
"I'd love to see SO take the hit of her leaving"
Sounds like someone who got turned down to design or ct there trashing them to me.
I'd be really surprised if SO is doing as badly as some of you are assuming. Designers retire every summer. It's the slow season, and everybody knows it. I've seen alot of designers retiring from other stores lately too.
SBG... that would be a shocker. Not wishing it, not assuming it. Just saying that THAT would be a surprise.
Faith seems to be busy with IRL stuff lately. I hardly think it has anything to do with SO not doing well.
CV would be a good fit at TLP, I think.
"I'd love to see SO take the hit of her leaving"
Sounds like someone who got turned down to design or ct there trashing them to me.
I'd be really surprised if SO is doing as badly as some of you are assuming. Designers retire every summer. It's the slow season, and everybody knows it. I've seen alot of designers retiring from other stores lately too.
Ditto. What I don't see is lots of designers leaving SO for other stores, which would suggest things aren't going well.
Uhm, Tracie Stroud, Captivated Visions, and Jady Day Studio all applied for SSD. There could have been more, but I know those three for sure.
Jady Day did leave SO for SSD and most of the designers there who I would also consider "big earners" are doing guest spots here and there or have done 1 or more in the last year.
Most designers don't do guest spots if they're not shopping around.
I think Laura B makes more than $800 a month.
May 17, 2012 12:46:00 PM
Hi, Laura!
Sounds like someone who got turned down to design or ct there trashing them to me.
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Nope. Never applied for either and never will. Just can't stand Kami and her two-faced bitchness.
#63-
I'm not Laura. I just can't see her making as little as $800 a month. She releases pretty regularly.
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I don't even know Kami at all. Care to elaborate?
Anyone else suddenly getting strange spam, like within the last week? My digi-scrap only e-mail has been getting daily (if not more often!) "irs" spam. I'm thinking someone sold their e-mail list.
If it's a Yahoo email you will get spam no matter what. Same with Hotmail.
Regarding Professional Scrap Designs using the DSW mailing list, here's the response I got from MailChimp. Good luck to PSD proving that I signed up for their list because I did not.
"Thanks for reporting this to MailChimp! We appreciate your diligence in ensuring the account is properly handled.
When we receive a direct complaint, the email address is immediately removed from the list. We also disable the sender's account until we receive proof that the recipient signed up for the sender's mailing list. If the account holder cannot prove this, the account will remain permanently suspended.
We assure you that your address has been removed from the sender's list.
Feel free to email us back if you have any questions or concerns!"
WoW SM is going down, SO designers are going...wtf is happening in this business lately?
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Wasn't awwre that two stores constituted the entirety of the business.
*aware - not awwre - too damn tired and it's making me snooty too boot
I've never really considered SO and SM to be stable stores, so if they went don't, it wouldn't surprise me.
If these stores went down, in no particular order of listing, I'd be gobsmacked -
SBG
TLP
Oscraps
ScrapGirls
DSP (yes, I know you love to hate, but others don't)
Digitals
Designer Digitals
SBE
I think they've all found a steady customer base and it what keeps them afloat. Just my opinion of course.
I think Laura B makes more than $800 a month.
May 17, 2012 12:46:00 PM
Hi, Laura!
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Why do people always assume that the designer is posting, just because someone posts what they think about the designer?
^^^
Because some of them are completing lacking in original thought. Just a guess
I cannot stand Laura B - as a designer or person - and I agree she makes more than $800.
Because that is what happens here. Someone defends a designer, it's always assumed it's the designer themselves.
I'm still wondering how that person figured out those estimated incomes. I can't see some of those designers either making that much or that little money.
I cannot stand Laura B - as a designer or person -
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Why? I never figured out what people's problem is with her. I have known her for quite awhile, and I think she's super sweet. No bitchiness that I've seen, at least no more than anyone else I know.
#77- I agree with you. Never seen any kind of bitchiness either from her.
I wouldn't say "sweet", butI think she's funny. Sarcastic and dry, but funny. Maybe that rubs some people the wrong way.
The number of times I've seen people smacked on here and their only crime is that they are sarcastic and smart. I don't know Laura, so can't say about her, but with others I've interacted with it's certainly true.
#76 - she gave her reasons in the post - did you miss it? Here, I'll post it for you again
I based my guesses upon how active they are releasing new products, whether they sell CU or not, and how many products I think they move/month based upon my own knowledge of how much I move/month.
Laura B is one of those people who is nice to your face when she feels like it and trash talks you behind your back. So, the nicer she is to your face, I would bet the more she trashes you to others.
She never managed to make sales quotas at previous stores she was in - to her own admission. I was shocked when she landed a spot at SO to begin with knowing how little $$ she made/month at the time. I think $800/month is generous even considering her products are better than they were a couple years ago.
To her own admission? Proof, please.
I have to agree with #82. I know Laura on a personal level and she can be a bitch. I also know she didn't make much when she was at TDC or before then.
#82. Thank you. That is nice to know for the future.
Laura B is one of those people who is nice to your face when she feels like it and trash talks you behind your back. So, the nicer she is to your face, I would bet the more she trashes you to others.
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So what? I honestly don't care about how people talk about me behind their backs, that is their problem and not mine. As long as they are nice to me face to face, I don't care what they say about me behind closed doors. Unless, of course, it spills into my life, then I'll care, maybe. It would depend on the circumstances.
#85 - what's nice to know? That someone can talk shit about someone else on a smack blog. Yeah, I guess that is nice to know. Unless you have had a personal negative run in with Laura, what anyone else says about her is irrelevant. It's your experience that counts, not theirs.
I can bet that someone is going accuse me of being Laura.
New CU responses, remember? Do try.
#86 - you really don't care if someone you consider your friend talks behind your back? I think you're more mental than LB. I wouldn't be shocked if you were best friends. Perfect for each other.
#82 - I've seen LB post her sales $$ in forums before, too, and I was very shocked to see her at SO because they were SICK low. I thought the OP was generous with $800, but I would hope all the designers at SO with all their hype, would be making at least that.
you really don't care if someone you consider your friend talks behind your back?
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Did I say friends? No, I didn't. So, I guess you are the mental one, aren't you? Reading things that aren't there.
Me so scrappy closing? Damayanti has something on her Facebook about her new store closing. Or is she at more than 1 store?
wouldn't be a big shocker.
yep, MSS is closing
Isn't it sad you decide to invite a new designer and then decide to close your store?
so that decission came out of nowhere
Sounds like it came out of nowhere. The store just opened Jan 1st and didn't they just open their forum? According to their Facebook page, they were looking to add a few designers on April 11th and now a month later, they are closing?
Maybe something unexpected happen. It is not like someone gets up in the morning and decides "Hum... I am too tired today. Let's close the store"
Jac spends all her time screwing around on Facebook with Carly to have any time to run a store. She'd be on FB all day while her staff were scurring to actually do things for the site... I'm sure they all got tired and then Jac realized she might actually have to work to run a store and site so she decided to close instead.
Just a little late in the conversation, but there were mentions of store quotas a little while back. I posted a question to discuss (not to smack) on the "other blog". Care to go comment? In case you don't remember the link:
http://digiscrap-chat.blogspot.ca/
(maybe this blog owner could have that link visible on the side?)
#98-
I have never heard of store quota's. I didn't realize that you had to meet a quota in a store. If so then how so some of these shittier designers stay in business?
^^^^
do
Speaking of stores- did DSB change owners?
@ 99 - There was a mention in post #82 and in previous pages too, so I got curious. And I am not sure it is everywhere (because, as you say, how come some of those "designers" stay in business??). In fact, I never sold where there was a monthly quota to meet, so I don't know much about it.
Every store I have sold in has had a sales quota.
Every store I have sold in has had a sales quota.
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How much is a quota, typically?
I don't think most stores have quotas. I've heard that SO, TDC, and SBG have them. I'm not sure if any others do, but I think it would be good business for an owner to have a low one in any store. Even if it was $25. If a designer can't sell 5 kits a month, it's not worth it to have them taking up server space. And I believe that there are many more designers out there that there are far more designers out there that don't do $25 a month than many people realize. If more owners had a quota, there wouldn't be as many designer in 5 stores and it would weed things out some. Of course some of the top tier stores can have higher quotas and rightly so.
I guess it would give a bit of a reason to treat this as a "business", even if it is just for fun. Maybe it will also weed out some of the products that do not sell, or are less "marketable" but might look for a designer to have 150 products in a store, even though 130 of them are more or less useless.
Some stores have sales quotas, other have product quotas. Most stores I've seen have quotas of one sort or another.
What good is a product quota (release at least 2 products pre month), if they are shitty products nobody buys?
Damayanti was speaking of Scrapbook Art Avenue closing...kimla (former A5D) was running it, and now its just her personal store. Don't know about MSS.
Gotta Pixel has a quota of $200 per month...SM used to have that same quota, not sure if they still do after the fiasco there. SBG has a quota, but not sure of the exact amount. Places like TDC have a 'low end' quota. If you sell less than $50 in a pay period, or maybe its a month, I don't really remember - then you pay a $5 server fee.
Since Damayanti's post was made earlier today, and the message from Jac about MSS closing (effective June 1st, FYI) was made within the previous day, I'm betting that's the store she was referring to.
I feel like I am a pretty goo designer and I don;t make that kind of money. I am in a pretty good, well known store, but that is the only store I am in. I am wondering if that is the reason why. These designers that make thousands a month.... how many stores are they in?
*good, excuse the other typos too. ;)
#111 I am wondering the same thing. I'm only in one store too.
Adding multiple stores might help with sales because one is touching more customers, BUT considering the time required for repackaging, uploading, and marketing, and participating in collabs, forum, etc. maybe it ends up cutting time available to design. So, maybe having two stores (like those guesting) could be good, but when you get to 4 or 5 stores, then, I would not be so sure.
One, usually the stores they sell in require exclusivity. I know of several designers who bring in that amount that are in stores who do not reqiure exclusivity and only 1 sells in multiple stores.
So what stores are bringing in this kind of money?
I would assume tnat it is not just a matter of store, but also a matter of designer. I wonder if any designer has seen a SHARP increase in sales by changing store (which would mean in that case that the store is a HUGE factor), or if those designers would make more or less the same amount wherever they sell (within reason, of course). Just curious.
I have a few designer friends that are both making 1500-2500 a month. One is at SBG and the other at PBP and neither of them are that well known (at least they don't generally make the top 10 or 20 list you see discussed on here). Neither of them have more than one shop either.
My best guesses - SO, SBG, SSD, A5D, TLP, TDC, SHC..........I think that's all pretty obvious. However, there are several stores on here that have been smacked as "crap" etc. where there are 1-2 designers pulling in those types of numbers, so if you are good, you can do it almost anywhere.
Are all those guesses, exclusive shops too?
I believe so.
I can't see anyone making 1500-2500 at PBP.
I can't see anyone making 1500-2500 at PBP.
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PBP has a lot of traffic, so maybe it would be as well as selling in 3 smaller stores!
I can't see anyone making 1500-2500 at PBP.
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Pretty sure there are more than one doing that amount there.
I can see that. Stores of that size usually do have a couple, I would guess that there are several at Shabby Pickle, Digital Scrapbooking Studio, maybe Ginger Scraps.....there's usually 1 or 2.
From what I heard the sales at Shabby Pickle suck.
Anyone ever have any luck selling at Scrappity-doo-dah? Is it hard to get in at Scrapbook-bytes? I have just been displaced and have to find a new home.
take a look at SDD ...um..anyone can get in. FPD is fresh outta designers...they would take y ou. SBB. Amy never answers emails.
where are you displaced from?
take a look at SDD ...um..anyone can get in. FPD is fresh outta designers...they would take you. SBB. Amy never answers emails.
Wow I just looked at FPD and their designer list is short! Didn't realize it. Once I applied for a guest spot at SBB. She asked for a sample and then all of a sudden my emails started bouncing from there. I even PMed Amy and no response.
this place wants designers (perhaps they should get one to do thier website. can you say ew??
http://rbldesignz.com/
there are lots of places looking for designers. have a look in the designer call area in the designer area at DST. oh wait. You are probably the one that posted in there about looking for a new home since MSS is closing. Poor you. after looking at your stuff - I'm SURE SDD would take you. you would fit right in.
I wonder if any designer has seen a SHARP increase in sales by changing store (which would mean in that case that the store is a HUGE factor), or if those designers would make more or less the same amount wherever they sell (within reason, of course). Just curious.
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I did once when I changes stores. My sales in the first few months were almost quadruple what I had previously earned. It dropped down to about half later, but I always had steady sales at that store. Then it dropped down to almost nothing and I couldn't work out why, however, when I did work it out, I just resigned from designing.
I can't see anyone making 1500-2500 at PBP.
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Why?
Gotta love the nerve of this person selling flourish swirls as PU/CU Ok when they are free all over the net:
http://rbldesignz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=503
#130 - Wow are you mean!
#134- that is usually the case here.
I still don't see what is wrong with SDD.
If you want no owner involvement and sporadic sales, go to SDD.
I've heard FPD is worse.
Amy is rarely around at SBB.
Maybe try guesting somewhere first.
ditto what 128 said...i have never received even a courtesy reply back from amy or anyone at SBB for that matter...so unprofessional!
i thought 130 was mean too :)
111: I am an owner at an exclusive store. We have quite a few designers bringing in thousands each month, and they are (obviously) only at my store.
Ok, so does anyone know what's up with Deca Designs? She was supposed to retire in April, all her stuff was on sale. Then it was extended during iNSD and now her stuff is still in store?
At Funky you pay a fee and have a quota.
@128 and 136 - Any other stores are known for not responding to emails?
Can someone tell me where to find this designer? I can't see how to spell her name or I would Google. Thanks
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=101082&title=the-magic-time-wordart&cat=533
#142 that's Irene Alexeeva. She was at Scrap Orchard but the last I heard she retired.
Can you block posts from a person you're not friends with on Facebook? That Carly Dee drives me insane, I can not stand her moronic rambling and gratuitous foul language. I am not a pearl clutcher, but there is something about her that grates on my nerves something fierce. I'm very tempted to unfriend anyone who is friends with her so I don't have to remember to skim over her comments on other people's posts anymore, she gets on my nerves that badly.
#144-
There is always going to be someone on facebook that annoys you. I have a few people that get on my nerves badly like that. I'm not sure if you can block people you aren't friends with. Why not just ask them to tone down on what they post on other peoples pages?
You should be able to unsubscribe from them. Just click on the arrow off to the right corner of that post and there should be an option to unsubscribe. They will never know you did it either. Not saying you care, but nice to know it won;t cause problems for them because they won;t find out.
if you know her email address you can block her through your privacy settings.
I've blocked a few people.
#146 and #147-
That works if you are friends with that person on facebook. Same with the email address.
You have to be friends to unsubscribe. Find a post where she comments, click in her name, then report/block her. You do not have to 'report', just block. Easy.
I agree and have her blocked as well.
#144- Why don't you just go to the girls who have her as a facebook friend and get them to ask her to tone down on what she says on their page. What is the point of coming here? You're more likely to find an answer if you asked one of your friends first.
Seems #149 gave you an answer. lol . I didn't know this as well. I have a few girls I would love to block as well.
All I did was click on the persons name, went to their timeline and clicked report/block. I had to do this with Lizzy because she irritated me. She was always popping up in comments of my facebook friends. It has been heaven.
Glad I'm not the only one who finds Dizzy annoying.
#153-
With Lizzy it's not really about her being annoying for me, it's her thinking she is better than everyone else. When she talks I feel like she talks down to people.
I had to block Laura Wilson aka emmasmommy @ SSD (i think). I got tired of seeing her think she is better than everyone else. She is not a very nice person at all. Thankfully, I am not facebook friends with her. Nor do I have to see her stupid comments anymore. If only I could go into the forums and not see her at all, I would be happy.
I don't mind Carly but I get tired of her status updates about how many purses, books, clothes, etc that she buys. She's always posting about shopping sprees and how much money she spent and all that. The other day she also posted about hurting her back while bending over her headboard while having sex with her hubby. Who puts that on FB? You love to go on shopping sprees with your husbands money and talk about sex, we get it.
MSS will be taken over by Charly aka Sunny Day Scraps, seeing Berry Sweet Scraps...well it would still suck. What a hideous site!
Recently posted by miss Carly
"I love that i dont have a job. After working 3 jobs before i met my hubby 10 years ago, i will gladly be a money succubus for once"
wow does her hubby knows she's only a moneysucker?
He's her friend on FB so I guess so.
#158-
I took that update as a joke, by the way. I can't believe you would think she was serious.
I'm not saying I agree with all she posts but it is her page. I don't always have to read everything and she has never done anything to me.
Let me ask you something.
Who cares what someone posts? Really? It is really easy to unsubscribe to someone.
Do you think maybe she may post that stuff because she know it annoys people?
Funny #161, you type just like Carly starting a new line with every sentence. Kind of like her status she JUST posted.
"hmm i would like to know who posts my status updates on the smack blog? anyone care to admit to it? i know its someone on my list?
FYI- me being a money succubus was a freaking joke. if you take half the shit i say seriously your a dumbass. Specially shit like that. feel free to post this on the smack blog while your at it
good thing i read it and keep up to date with all the shit talking in the community."
143 - thanks, looks like she's retired, no new store.
Number 62, you are an idiot. CV did not apply to SSD. Your FACTS are a little screwy.
Number 162, ummmm that 161 post was clearly not Carly, posting her update only proves it. And really, posting something someone says on their private FB when you have access to it is just tacky.
I'm #144 and thanks for the info! Just for the record, I wouldn't approach Carly or ask my friends to approach her. That's why I asked about ways to block her, I'd prefer to find a solution on my end rather than ask someone else to change the way they behave on their own page with their own friends.
IMO Carly is very insecure. Her loud, bitchy, crass, I don’t give an F attitude doesn’t fool me. Look at the way she is constantly pimping out different things. Hell I think close to 80% of her FB friends are digi people. It’s like she needs the constant compliments and you are awesomes from people. She will post that she isn’t a suck up and she doesn’t play the brown nose game, but she is one of the worst offenders.
I will say one thing, if you want to see a different side of people read how they talk on her page. When I was FB friends with her I was surprised at how people who I thought I knew really presented themselves. And since she obviously reads here I am sure this will get posted on her page for her and her friends to laugh about but whatever.
OMG! People are one thing to your face and another behind your back? shocking.
Anonymous said... 136
If you want no owner involvement and sporadic sales, go to SDD.
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So true. I was there for awhile and the owner was pretty much non-existent. If you're setting up your store and have any questions - don't expect any help. There's no one and that's sad. Sales were horrible too but the site CT are a great bunch of friendly women who basically keep the forum alive.
Anyone know what happened to Digi Scraps Drive-In? I sold there when it first opened and decided to go back and visit, but the store is pretty much vacant and the forum is gone.
Maybe it turned into Scrap Take Out? (just kidding, I could not resist making a play on word).
I think 130 was mean too. Not the designers fault the store owner was a loon. You can't run a brand new store and play on FB app's all day. Half the designers left are good & if they have a contract or something you can't blame them for not bailing like so many others did. And I LMAO at 156-you read my mind! Blah blah blah-constantly, I can't believe people want that girl on their creative team.
168 - I agree. The CT at SDD are wonderful.
MSS being taken over by Charly? You mean the woman who cannot type to save her life? It's like nails on a chalkboard reading her DST posts. Plus, she closed a store to open another store, now addin an additional store? Good luck MSS people!
DSDI died because the owner got a life, from what I read. Owning a store takes effort, if you don't have effort to give, might as well close up shop.
What is SDD?
Scrappity Doo Dah I think.
Thanks!
MSS was a good site. Before Jac opened up the store, it was a really cool place to post your layouts. The blog had various different designers they featured, GSO's etc etc. I'm not sure opening a store on a site that was already well-known as a gallery site was a good move.
What is DSDI?
#156-
I would rather read about all that than read about how depressed people are, what they cooked for dinner (with pictures also), PMS, designers whining about their mojo being gone. I am sure you have some people like that on your page. Well all do.
178 - read a few posts up. Don't be a lazy cow.
177- GSO;s are just a way of pimping their own products... case in point todays gallery standouts http://gallerystandouts.com/fingerpointing/
is hosted by PInk reptile , guess which 2 layouts uses her products!! Totally impartial NOT...
Wtf is with the crap in this months digi files? cancelled my sub last month and was going to resub if the reveals were good. So far, I won't bother.
#181-
I agree with you. 100%.
The Digi Files have been crap for a few months. I'm also thinking of cancelling.
the owner of DSDI is now participating in the team of STO...
This thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=303055
Ok I have to say it. WHO THE HELL WOULD BOTHER DOING THAT?
There have been sites shared on here and on facebook that have over 900 pages of pirated kits. They are not hard to find and they require 0 effort to download.
This copyright rubbish in digiland is getting ridiculous. Your designs aren't as amazing as you like to think they are. Your work is definitely NOT worth the effort it would take to "extract" things to use. If I've paid for your kit and I've not shared it with anyone, that's my bit. Im done. I dont have to credit you in damn layouts I upload - it's not my job to provide you with advertising. be please people are buying it at all.
^ meant to say on there, not on here
#186-
I am feeling the same way you are.
All that over a full resolution layout on a flickr photostream?. Do designers really get picky like that? So they think that someone will download your page, and extract it instead of BUYING it? Just wondering why someone would go to the effort to do that.
She has to learn to design first, or learn to run a store...Berry Hideous Crap.
Finally someone posting under their own name. Thank you. That is alot of stuff to do for only 80% after paypal fees.
Ok, I guess she didn't mean to post under her own name LOL.
So what did the divine Miss Kimmerick have to say?
All the things one has to do at Charly's store she owns. Something about participating in certain sales, collabs etc. Plus you only get 80% of all your sales after paypal fees. She said it was alot to do for what she pays you pretty much. It really wasn't that mean or nasty.
So what did the divine Miss Kimmerick have to say?
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Read the post right after that one. She probably said the same thing but with more colorful language. Isn't that usually what happens when someone notices their name appear when they don't want? They usually just report in a more "polite" way. No wonder she didn't want to post as herself if you are going to treat her like that.
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"repost" not "report"
God forbid you should credit the artwork you use in your layouts when posting online. Don't want to credit it - Don't post it.
thank you #197. yes, i am a designer...and a scrapper. while i don't REQUIRE you post credit to me when posting your layouts, i think it is more of a courtesy than anything. but why not say what kit you used? is it really that hard?
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