I have seen questions in the forum about PSP users unable to open PSD files, while they usually can. I think it has to do with some styles or something like that.
I don't have any kind of history with Sara, but I thought her post as pasted above was effective. Those designers *should* know the difference between .tif comepressions, and it is *stupid* that they don't, yet still offer them *for sale*. It is a matter of laziness on their part because instrucitons and nice educational posts have been at DST for as long as I can remember.
THAT is how you be a bitch, Sara is still learning and has a long way to go.
What store do you perceive as "stable" overall (nothing necessarily to do with tiers)? It looks like so many long standing stores are closing, or have closed lately. It is almost scary. Where can someone apply and have a chance to at least sell for a year before said store will close, be sold, etc.? Some stores have closed shortly after having calls, so that does not say anything to an applicant!
It kind of looks to me like The Studio is stable. I don't know where it is in the imaginary tier structure, but I'm on their newsletter and they have a big store with lots of deals and I don't see many designers coming an going.
All of it, some of it?? I'm interested in you explaining that comment further. Does it change your opinion if you know that there are several designers there who make just as much as those at "the sweetest shoppe"? And no, I do not sell there.
Heck, show me a store that is stable, no drama, and has designers making consistently $1000 a month, and I'll go apply within minutes! (ok maybe a consistent $250 a month is more realistic?)
#19 - SBG. Despite what people on here say, it has no drama. The only drama it has is created by the people on this blog.
As for Sara's post, I didn't see anything wrong with it. She was right on all counts and if some poor little designer got their feelings hurt, too bad, boo hoo. Deal with it, you're a business woman now and we can't all hold hands and sing kumbaya all the time.
I've had things said to me in the real working world in a truly rude manner, that post was cupcake.
Oh, and for those obvious little posters, no, I'm not Sara.
The studio is no where near as good as it used to be. They have changed the site so much in the last few years you can hardly recognize it. It used to be stone accent studio if anyone can remember back that far...lol.
When I used to design, and I was in several stores, not one of them ever had drama. I think some people just see drama where there isn't any. I was even at PDW with Holly and she was great. No drama at all.
I so do not understand why designers CT for other designers/ stores. It just doesn't make sense to me—isn't it a conflict of interest to CT for a competitor???
Not not a law but not right either. When you all mention conflict of interest...the only thing that pops in my head is scrap take out and how all those asmin girls are going to work for both it and GS??? Not right!!!!
There's nothing wrong with a designer who CTs for another designer. Most designers are, or at least started out as, scrappers themselves. I'm a designer and I still shop for kits, should that be disallowed, too, because I should only use my own products? There's no difference between me buying a kit, using it, posting my layout in a gallery w/ credits. . . . . and me getting a kit from another designer on a CT, using it, posting my layout in a gallery w/ credits. Same thing the only difference being that I didn't have to pay for the kit in one scenario. If I am going to do all of those things either way, then why not be on a CT?
#34 - It's entirely up to the designers involved. If one designer wishes to CT for another one at a different store, what difference does that make to you and how is 'not right'?
Re: comments 7-10, about a year ago a few designers all left TDC, I remember it was right around or a month or two after NSD. They went to SO and SM, and everyone made a big deal about it and questioned what was going on with TDC and assumed that SO and SM were better stores. A year later TDC is about the same as ever and seems stable, and one of those designers from last year's departures even ended up going back (Elise's Pieces). Designers come and go, it happens everywhere and isn't anything new or even noteworthy, as long as a store still has reputable and talented designers. I'd say that's the difference between what's happening at FPD and what happens in general elsewhere. Look at SSD even, they just lost 4 or 5 designers last month and they seem fine too. That's my opinion anyway. Designers leaving TDC wouldn't scare me off, I still think it would be a way better place to sell than where I am now.
I don't think that it is right or wrong…I just don't see it as being smart business. With how saturated the digi market is, I don't see how providing free advertising for a competing store/ designer is beneficial. Maybe if you are designing/selling as a hobby…
love that this is a smack blog, but when people 'smack' everyone else gets all uptight about it and smacks the smacker...seems like a pointless waste of time ;)
To 38 - the point that was made by 35 is valid. Most designers who post in galleries believe that things should be credited, because they design and they know the value. So for those designers who scrap, they'll be doing that anyway. It's not bad business to put scrapbook pages in a gallery unless you feel that people won't buy your kits if they see pages made by another designer and if you feel that way, you probably aren't a good enough designer to hold a customer base anyway.
I CT for a few designer friends, and I don't feel that their success will erode mine at all. Not in the slightest. I do well, I make money, and I like scrapping with their products. Win-win for everyone.
To 38 - the point that was made by 35 is valid. Most designers who post in galleries believe that things should be credited, because they design and they know the value. So for those designers who scrap, they'll be doing that anyway. It's not bad business to put scrapbook pages in a gallery unless you feel that people won't buy your kits if they see pages made by another designer and if you feel that way, you probably aren't a good enough designer to hold a customer base anyway.
I CT for a few designer friends, and I don't feel that their success will erode mine at all. Not in the slightest. I do well, I make money, and I like scrapping with their products. Win-win for everyone.
Is anyone willing to post "good" stores since nothing good has been posted a out any? I really do want a serious answer....from the view of the designer and scrapper? Any takers.
There's a big difference between a designer cting for another designer and a designer taking on an admin position while they are in the process of opening their own store without letting the store owner know (which is what Jen did). And then proceeding to ask the entire ct and quite a few designers to come over to their "new shop".
If the person is doing their job on my ct, I don't care if they are a designer. If they do good work and do it well and on time then why not have them on your team?
The "good" stores asked for are not only based on opinion: no drama, stable, significant income. Those are a bit more concrete and tangible than mere opinion, which everyone has, as you stated (and we should know that everyone will not agree on opinions).
I also think good stable stores include: After Five, Oscraps, Scrap Orchard, MScraps. I don't know much about Pickleberry Pop or Gotta Pixel but they seem OK.
I am not sure what the top tier stores are but here is where I spent my iNSD money in order of money spent.... Lilypad, A5D, SSD,Cat Scrap and SO. SO would have gotten more money than Cat Scrap and probably SSD if they would have had an actual sale but I wasn't interested in most of the items in the farmers market so I only spent a few dollars.
I like Gotta Pixel and have seen no drama. I know others like to rip the owner apart but I've been a customer there for over 5 years and have never had a problem. Designers move around - but where don't they? They keep a good mix of styles from beginning to fantasy to advanced. The place has apparently been around for quite a while. I also like The Lily Pad - I think they are very friendly and their site is easy to maneuver. Just my opinion so feel free to rip it as I'm sure some will feel the need to do. I'm not a designer either so if there's backroom drama anywhere, I wouldn't know about it - which is how it should be.
gotta pixel seems nice, but the owner is TERRIBLE about responding to emails! that is enough for me to never shop there. same with SBB...if the owner can't even respond to an email, then they surely won't get my money!
I spent my iNSD money at TDC, SSD, SO, A5, and 3 individual designer's personal shop sites. In that order. While I hadn't looked at it this way before posting that, I do think that those 4 main stores are some of the most stable stores that have regular new releases and a variety of styles at each store so they each appeal to a broad customer base. So it's probably not an accident that I spent my money there this past weekend.
I spent money (in order of $$ spent) at SSD, TLP, TDC, and 1 designer's personal store this weekend. I looked elsewhere, but there wasn't much I liked. I boycott stores and designers who have personally provided me with poor service or poor interactions, and it continues to grow, so I'm running out of places to buy from anyway.
It doesn't get mentioned a lot, but I really like DHD. Some people have said stuff about quality here, but I've never experienced that. _________
I agree. I think that the quality at DHD is great, and the community they have there is nice as well. The forums aren't super active, but they are drama free—and they have lots of sales, which my wallet likes :)
"gotta pixel seems nice, but the owner is TERRIBLE about responding to emails!"
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I've dealt with GP's customer support several times and have never sent an email to do so. They have a ticket system. I'm not even sure the owner does the customer service as it's always been a guy who replies to my problems. I've also never had an issue with them answering me quickly.
It annoys me big time that big stores don't reply back on e-mails, when they have in big letters saying they're all for customer service and get back to you asap or in 24 hours...long 24 hours if it takes weeks or no reply at all.
There's a big difference between a designer cting for another designer and a designer taking on an admin position while they are in the process of opening their own store without letting the store owner know (which is what Jen did). And then proceeding to ask the entire ct and quite a few designers to come over to their "new shop".
If the person is doing their job on my ct, I don't care if they are a designer. If they do good work and do it well and on time then why not have them on your team?
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I have a thought about this - if Ginger from Ginger Scraps was a great owner, do you think her designers and CT would have left for the new store? I don't.
Wondering who the "individual designers" were that #65 and #66 bought from? I'm assuming they're ones who are at stores where you like none of the other designers.
I shop more by designer than by store because there aren't many stores where I like several designers. So I've never cared who sells where, I follow those designers' blogs and subscribe to their personal newsletters and facebook pages and that's how I shop. When I first started digi I looked at entire stores but not anymore.
#63 here again - Yes, GP has a ticket system for customer support issues. I just checked under their contact section and it takes you to a support ticket screen. So perhaps that's why you don't hear back from your emails - because there's no published email address.
Stable stores = stores where the owners are still in charge, IMO. If an "admin" is "running the store" for the owner that's a bad sign. New owners are always wild cards, too. Sometimes they revive a dead store, other times they just think it will "be fun" to own a store then they lose interest once they realize it's a lot of work.
Stable stores = stores where the owners are still in charge, IMO. If an "admin" is "running the store" for the owner that's a bad sign. ________
I agree and disagree on this one. JessicaSprague is mostly run by admin, and I think her shop is pretty stable and successful. In a way it is almost more stable with admin running it...
Off-topic, but I have a Facebook question I hope someone could help me with. I recently joined, & while using it the other day, a message popped up saying I must enter a mobile phone number in order to continue with the account.
I don't want to give my phone number to Facebook (do they really need to know every single private detail of my life??), but it won't let me log in further without it. Any way to get around it, or is this just a necessity for signing up at Facebook & this type of website??
It seems nowadays that every single website demands so much personal info about you that doesn't seem necessary. I know that many people may not be concerned about this, but I really try to limit the amount of personal info I put online. Any tips or suggestions? Thanks :) May 6, 2012 7:16:00 PM ---------------------------
#77 in JessicaSprague's case she's still running her store, but she has people doing work for her. Lots of store owners have a small team of people who handle individual areas under the owner's supervision. I think the problem is when the site owner is basically gone and has someone else running things for her.
I'm with 77. If the "admin" is a visible part of the site, I don't see why that's a downfall. Who says owners have to do everything? We don't expect that IRL businesses, so why would we expect that from online ones?
I'm #66 and I bought from Dani Mogstad. I'm not sure why she left SSD and I don't really care. I like her products and her store was super easy to purchase from, so I'll continue to buy her stuff via her personal store.
#71 Not necessarily. If Ginger didn't make a big deal about it, I doubt anyone would really think it was anything other than just JenY opening a new store.
Most people didn't even know she was an admin there except, I'm assuming based on the conversation in here, the designers themselves. If Ginger didn't explain it then I doubt any of the ct there would've even realized how devious it was. I imagine Ginger wouldn't really want people thinking she was oblivious to the fact that her own admins were opening a new store while they had their hands in her database.
And anyone who did know and went over there anyway I won't buy from. Obviously those people don't have an ounce of integrity or sound judgement.
And anyone who did know and went over there anyway I won't buy from. Obviously those people don't have an ounce of integrity or sound judgement.
Spot on. I am flabbergasted that Jen and Shannon did this all, behind the scenes. I thought Shannon was a close friend of Ginger's, but "close friends" don't do something like that to each other. Not if they care anything at all about the friendship.
I don't see what you believe JY did that was so wrong here. It's not like she went into the store database and downloaded customers. Anyone can see who the designers are at a store and contact them.
I do still believe that the designers would not have gone to STO if they were happy with Ginger. They would have all been shocked and upset about JY opening a new store and not followed her.
Also I believe that a fairly well known designer who makes a big deal out of going exclusive doesn't do so to leave in a month. If she left right away it's for a very good reason ... which again points to Ginger.
Spot on. I am flabbergasted that Jen and Shannon did this all, behind the scenes. I thought Shannon was a close friend of Ginger's, but "close friends" don't do something like that to each other. Not if they care anything at all about the friendship.
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You are right, close friends don't do this. Perhaps you should entertain the idea that Shannon had a reason.
I'm #66 and I bought from Dani Mogstad. I'm not sure why she left SSD and I don't really care. I like her products and her store was super easy to purchase from, so I'll continue to buy her stuff via her personal store.
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Ditto this. I'm #66 and I also bought from Dani. I hope she made a killing over the weekend. No idea why she left SSD, but I hope her personal store venture goes well for her, she's one of my favorite designers. I also bought from Gina Cabrera and Rachael's Scraps.
Really #84?? Get turned down to design or CT there?? I thought it was cute and one of the better on the blogtrain even if it was annoying that you had to go through 4shared to download - all stores should be able to direct link so I find that really odd.
#91 - I didn't think it was cute, so that makes me jealous? I have no interest in CTing or designing, try again sweetheart and do try to come up with an original response next time.
The colors are awful and the kit itself is just blah. Seen it all before.
#94 - I never said they picked the colors, I said the colors were hideous.
I note you completely failed to address the issue of seen it all before. But it's quite clear you have a limited thinking capacity, so I shouldn't have expected anything more.
Who cares if you've "seen it all before," point me to anything new in digiscrap - there isn't. It's all been done and done again. Point at any product and you can find several other similar in theme, colors, type of product, take your pick. Save the smacking for the truly hideous and low quality crap that gets churned out every day. If I was going to smack a kit, that certainly wouldn't have been my first choice as there are many things much more smack worthy out there. So with that being the case and since the blogtrain was already discussed and that was a random comment that had nothing to do with the current conversation, it comes back around to the fact that you must have something personal against the place or you would have picked something that was really worth smacking. And if it's not something personal, then I question your ability to discern between what is exceptional, mediocre, and crap.
I must have something personal against the place I don't even know the place!
I happened to stumble across it and posted it because I thought it was hideous.
Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I lack the ability to discern between the exceptional, mediocre and crap, maybe you lack that discernment.
#97 - what is your problem? Settle down sweetheart. You may hurt yourself.
Now I'm a grammar nazi? How the heck did you arrive at the conclusion? I mean, I know you are very good at jumping to conclusions, which is good, as it's probably the only exercise you get. You certainly don't exercise your brain.
It's a matter of think before you speak. Nazi is a really strong word and has terrible and horrific connotations for a lot of people. So many words are no longer used, yet this one is not only constantly used, it's constantly misused.
Nazi is a god in Sumerian mythology, one of the eight deities born to relieve the illness of Enki. While he was born from a god Nazi was believed to be a man.[1] He was the consort of the goddess Nindar
Nazi is a god in Sumerian mythology, one of the eight deities born to relieve the illness of Enki. While he was born from a god Nazi was believed to be a man.[1] He was the consort of the goddess Nindar ----------------
Are you implying that the phrase grammar nazi is another way of saying word god?
I know of a few gs designers going to sto and gs site ct's too...but they aren't leaving gs FOR sto. Apparently they are going to be active at both places? I don't get it...I think it's a total conflict of interest. I will not follow or subscribe to sto sites, pages, etc. they have a lot of damage control ahead of them.
LMAO. That you can sit and think that someone taking on an ADMIN role at the SAME time they are already in the process of opening their own store without telling anyone as anything but devious is beyond me.
JenY took on the role of admin AFTER she had already purchased the domain for her new shop. Pay attention.
I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't talk about the private goings on of the back end to boot.
This isn't the first time a person has stabbed the back of a so-called friend to get ahead it's not entirely unthinkable. Dispicable - yes, unthinkable - no.
Does Marie H need the money or is she trying out every single low crap store, and when she don't make the amount she's aiming for applying for the next store? She's really all over the place!
Marie H is one of the biggest store hoppers out there. She will "retire" from designing for 2 weeks - 2 months and be back with the same juvenile recolored CU. (She's a big fan of those ugly Miss Tina kids) and SHCO in general.
If she stays in any store more than 6 months, I'd be astonished.
Good designer you are if you can't stay anywhere for longer than weeks? But as a store, would it benefit your business with a designer like that? I don't think so. Her stuff is so flat and not attractive at all.
STO...what are they thinking starting a store right now...especially with all the drama surrounding it??? plus scrapping business sucks in general. SugarHill has been quite disappointing for some time, IMO. "she" needs to let some new designers in there, because the variety just isn't there. i am tired of seeing the same stuff from the SAME designers each week. and quality has NOT been that great either lately...including from tina's stuff :(
isn't that the whole problem lately? To much of the same? Same patterns, same themes, same ol' same ol' with those flat colors. If that's the standard nowadays, gonna give up spending money on stuff.
127 are you responding to 126 and talking about CU items, because if so then why do you care what colors it comes in? You're supposed to change that if you can actually design. SMH
I haven't ever been big on Miss Tiina's CU items, anyway. There are a few designers there at Sugar Hill that I buy from regularly, because their products are more generic and easy to integrate into my designs without them screaming "CU!!!", but most of the cutesy vectors and element templates and patterns sold by a few of the designers aren't anything I would spend money on. I buy what I would say are accessory items for my kits from Sugar Hill, because the quality is almost always great and I can alter it to make it my own. But you wouldn't be seeing me spending my money on the Miss Tiina/etc items that you see in every noobie designer's kits every single week.
IMO that's the problem nowadays, too many designers who use CU as the design instead of using it as a design tool to create something of their own that stands out.
I don't see what you believe JY did that was so wrong here. It's not like she went into the store database and downloaded customers. Anyone can see who the designers are at a store and contact them.
I do still believe that the designers would not have gone to STO if they were happy with Ginger. They would have all been shocked and upset about JY opening a new store and not followed her.
Also I believe that a fairly well known designer who makes a big deal out of going exclusive doesn't do so to leave in a month. If she left right away it's for a very good reason ... which again points to Ginger. ____________________________________
How do you KNOW that she didn't download the customer base? Can you prove that? As another poster said, this admin post was taken AFTER she already registered her domain at STO. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. And which designers exactly are following JY? Not a lot. Marie H the store hopper? Big deal. Integrity will always win in the end, and it won't be JY!
thank you 129...someone who finally understands what is going on around here. my understanding is that JY was fired on the spot from GS on the same day that all the stupid STO ads were getting splattered all over facebook! whether jen "stole" info from GS really isn't the point. it is the principle of the matter...she assumed some admin responsibilities at GS, while she was secretly setting up another shop. if there was nothing wrong with what she was doing, they why not tell the world about it instead of sneaking around with shannon. shameful!
How do you know JY didn't give up admin earlier and Ginger never told anyone. How does everyone know that Ginger is so innocent in all of this? Couldn't it be possible that Shannon left in April (which someone pointed out earlier), JY was going to do both designing at GS and own STO (like Ginger did at SUN). People are allowed to apply at any store they want, so if GS people are applying why is it STO's fault?
JY never intended to stay at GS. the plan was always to leave as soon as STO was up and operating, without telling G about the new store. there are messages from JY (not to me personally, but I have seen them) where she laughed about her despicable actions and discussed customer and designer sales information with non GS admin. JY may have had valid reasons for why she felt leaving was the best option, but her actions were unethical and unprofessional. That's definitely not the type of store (or people) that I would want my business reputation aligned with.
Well there is a difference. Was Ginger up front about owning Ginger Scraps with the owner of SUN while she designed there? Jen Y was not upfront with Ginger. She was just as suprised as everyone when all the ads were posted. If someone was running around behind my back I would not want them in my store either.
That's fine #132, you don't have to, but others have a right to decide for themselves. People need to have all the facts (and not just what has been posted her or in any forums) before they start judging. I can tell you after reading everything here only one side has been presented.
#134 I understand that too. But you have no idea what was said or done behind the scenes. No one does except for those involved. Also I heard that Ginger was upset when SUN told her to pick GS or them. She couldn't believe they made her choose. I'm done wasting my time with you GS people. There is way more to this story that I was just made aware of. Maybe if you took the time to find out the truth, you would be more understanding to everyone.
Why? They'll just get smacked even harder for posting as themselves.
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Maybe that's something about this blog that needs to change, then. We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
My policy has always been to smack people who deserve to be smacked for dumb/unethical things they do. Not to smack people just for posting here as themself. Why is that alone smackworthy? Oh, because everyone else is anonymous here and feels they can be bitchy just for the sake of being bitchy. It's so dumb, and it keeps us from hearing the real story. This blog didn't used to be like that. We used to hear from the actual participants, but apparently the Happy Tits situation ruined that for everyone and now this blog is nothing but gossip with nobody who's ever involved wanting to come forward and make it worse.
then maybe jen and/or shannon should put on their big girl panties and tell us the other side????
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Perhaps because they are actually being professional and keeping business things confidential, as they should?
I am neither JY nor Shannon but I do know what happened and I believe if you all knew you would no longer think JY is unethical and you would never, ever, set foot at GS again.
I'm not telling you what happened because only a small group of people know and I'd probably out myself as someone who can't be trusted with information ... which I don't want to do.
I am neither JY nor Shannon but I do know what happened and I believe if you all knew you would no longer think JY is unethical and you would never, ever, set foot at GS again.
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Don't hold a bone for a dogs mouth...If you don't want to give more information than just don't say anything about it. Stirring the pot a bit more...
Why even post that you know "what really happened" if you don't plan to elaborate? Maybe ppl would stop bad mouthing Jen if someone like you (who knew the story) would enlighten us?
Why even post that you know "what really happened" if you don't plan to elaborate? Maybe ppl would stop bad mouthing Jen if someone like you (who knew the story) would enlighten us?
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I explained why I'm not elaborating. If you'd like to believe I'm Jen or Shannon go ahead, but I'm not. The reason I'm posting at all is to get you guys to think through what kind of thing would make an admin, who had been working with a site for years and was good friends with the owner and had relationships with many people on the site, suddenly jump ship.
#147 - I can think of a lot of reasons why this would happen, but other than a store giving my private financial information to others, I can't think of any reason that would make me never shop at GS again.
Business relationships almost always erode over time. Just like most relationships in general.
Wow, all this drama about GS and Jen and Shannon. Personally, I couldn't give a damn. I don't know any of the parties involved and I'm betting a lot of people here don't either.
I probably wouldn't mind so much, if it wasn't for the fact that the same stuff is just being rehashed over and over and over. I mean, the exact same stuff is still being rehashed from page 1.
Let's have something new. Either about the above situation or something entirely new - and before anyone says anything, I tried bringing up something different but that didn't work.
Wow, all this drama about GS and Jen and Shannon. Personally, I couldn't give a damn. I don't know any of the parties involved and I'm betting a lot of people here don't either.
I probably wouldn't mind so much, if it wasn't for the fact that the same stuff is just being rehashed over and over and over. I mean, the exact same stuff is still being rehashed from page 1.
Let's have something new. Either about the above situation or something entirely new - and before anyone says anything, I tried bringing up something different but that didn't work. _______________________________
#147 - I can think of a lot of reasons why this would happen, but other than a store giving my private financial information to others, I can't think of any reason that would make me never shop at GS again.
Business relationships almost always erode over time. Just like most relationships in general.
^^^ you'll be glad to know, then, that neither xcart not zencart store your financial information, so no stores will ever do that.
Myself I have higher expectations, including honest and ethical business management. There are other reasons I stop going to stores - poor customer service, for example, or misappropriation of store funds by site owners.
I explained why I'm not elaborating. If you'd like to believe I'm Jen or Shannon go ahead, but I'm not. The reason I'm posting at all is to get you guys to think through what kind of thing would make an admin, who had been working with a site for years and was good friends with the owner and had relationships with many people on the site, suddenly jump ship. -------------------------------------------- #147 - You don't know what you are talking about. Shannon did not all of a sudden jump ship at GS. She was pretty much scarce in the forum for months after having some personal drama with a foster child that left their family a bit fractured. It was announced well in advance that she was stepping down from her position. She was not fired and she didn't just disappear. Stop trying to stir the pot. GS has moved past this and everyone else should as well. There is no drama here so stop trying to turn it in to one.
#157 - doesn't bother me one way or the other. I stopped buying any scrapbooking magazines a long time ago as they all started to look the same and hardly anything ever changed in them.
There's so much inspiration online. I'd rather spend my luxury money on other things.
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Why? Just to satisfy a bunch of idle gossips on a smack blog? The smart thing to do is to not say anything, that's putting on the big girl panties. Responding here would be idiotic in the extreme.
Maybe that's something about this blog that needs to change, then. We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
Unless the store owner isn't paying their designers, the store funds are theirs to do with what they choose. So, what exactly are you talking about? -----
We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
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Incorrect. There have been quite a few people who have come here and posted as themselves and told their version. They were not smacked around, it's only when they are behaving like idiots that they get smacked.
I don't think anyone on this blog will ever be pleased. Everyone says JY and Shannon shouldn't post their side because it'd be idiotic yet in other drama situations on the past, people bitch and say people who keep quiet and don't defend themselves are guilty and idiotic. Make up your mind people. Is it better to keep to yourself or tell your side? Either way everyone here would just rip them apart. I don't think there is any winning when it comes to being the subject of drama here. No matter what you do, you're wrong in the eyes of everyone here.
#167 - stop dramatizing. Not EVERYONE said they should keep quiet, I think two people did. I always say they should keep quiet, how that's for making up my mind.
And not EVERYONE will rip them apart either. Some will and some won't.
And what's this crap about winning? This isn't a contest you know.
Are you watching too much Housewives? I think you are.
Unless the store owner isn't paying their designers, the store funds are theirs to do with what they choose. So, what exactly are you talking about? -----
Do owners only pay designers with store funds? Do they pay other people?
#175 and #179 - if you are the same person, or even two different people, post what you know or keep quiet. This whole pseudo attitude of 'I know something you don't know' is wearying.
Serious question for designers. When you're leaving a store, how much detail do you go into for your reason? for example- absent owner, lack of advertising, etc
Just give them the reason why you're leaving, owners can learn from that too 187. It's sometimes a hard thing to do, but it's your business so if the store's not working for you, than just say so.
Just give them the reason why you're leaving, owners can learn from that too 187. It's sometimes a hard thing to do, but it's your business so if the store's not working for you, than just say so.
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Yet, the only one that will be named is the designer who might have just revealed the truth. This is the "problem" with an anonymous post: nobody can really trust what is said since it could be accurate, or totally wrong, or anywhere in between with part truth and part assumptions and guesses.
Too bad factual discussions between non-anonymous posters rarely stay civil and respectful. That is what we need, but it is unlikely it will even happen (even if we did, someone would create an anon blog to smack them anyways).
I gave my honest reason why I left a store and the owner made my life a living hell. I was told I had a spot at another store, then I was told I didn't. She spread lies about me to everyone who would listen and ruined my reputation in the eyes of people who listened to her.
My reason was quite simply I didn't agree with some changes made and while I didn't expect them to be changed back for me, I didn't feel I could stay at the shop. I was professional and honest and had no hard feelings leaving. But that wasn't enough for the store owner.
My advice is just keep it short and sweet. You do NOT have to give a reason to leave a store. You just have to give them the notice requested in your contract. That is all. Leave it at that.
Jen was fired she didn't just leave. Although I imagine she would have jumped ship without telling anyone until the last minute. Remember Inspiration Lane?
Any way you slice it, Jen took the admin position when she knew she was opening her own store and didn't tell Ginger. Bottom Line, that's unethical business practice. I'd be more worried about Jen having my personal information than Ginger.
It's a fact that she participates on the smack blog, so I would bet she's at least one of the people trying to hush it up. Wouldn't you if you were opening a new store and had been shady about it?
I'm #192. My comment was based on #187 request. I wasn't commenting on the drama at GS. I don't sell there. I'm not sure if I was confusing or not, but I didn't want it inferred I was commenting on their store. Sorry about that!
IF Jen Yurko was a good designer, I possibly could see the drama here. But she's not. And no one but her and those of you desperate for gossip care about her, her store, what she did, or why she did it. I'm sure it makes her feel good to think that she's some big scrap celebrity, but admit it to yourselves, this situation does not affect your life in the slightest. But then, neither does any of the other BS we talk about on here.
Anonymous said... 199 IF Jen Yurko was a good designer, I possibly could see the drama here. But she's not. And no one but her and those of you desperate for gossip care about her, her store, what she did, or why she did it. I'm sure it makes her feel good to think that she's some big scrap celebrity, but admit it to yourselves, this situation does not affect your life in the slightest. But then, neither does any of the other BS we talk about on here. May 10, 2012 2:37:00 PM
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 2608 Newer› Newest»because sometimes I get errors with psd files too, not as often as the tiff files. If that happens, I simply resort to using the png files.
I have seen questions in the forum about PSP users unable to open PSD files, while they usually can. I think it has to do with some styles or something like that.
cause loads of templates come indeed with shadowstyles which psp can't open
Roseytoes has turned in her resignation already, Justme Digital and Kiki have as well.
I don't have any kind of history with Sara, but I thought her post as pasted above was effective. Those designers *should* know the difference between .tif comepressions, and it is *stupid* that they don't, yet still offer them *for sale*. It is a matter of laziness on their part because instrucitons and nice educational posts have been at DST for as long as I can remember.
THAT is how you be a bitch, Sara is still learning and has a long way to go.
Not everyone knows about TIFF saving files, but now they do.
Danielle E. and Viva Artistry have also left TDC and went to SBG.
So did Karen Lewis
Oh and Karen Lewis too.
Mari K, Sugarplum Paperie, and Amanda H, as well. (left TDC)
Wow... how many will be left at TDC? I always thought it was a "stable" store to be at.
What store do you perceive as "stable" overall (nothing necessarily to do with tiers)? It looks like so many long standing stores are closing, or have closed lately. It is almost scary. Where can someone apply and have a chance to at least sell for a year before said store will close, be sold, etc.? Some stores have closed shortly after having calls, so that does not say anything to an applicant!
Who hasn't left TDC? LOL
It kind of looks to me like The Studio is stable. I don't know where it is in the imaginary tier structure, but I'm on their newsletter and they have a big store with lots of deals and I don't see many designers coming an going.
The Studio is a crap store
Never heard of The Studio. Googled it and nothing really good came up. (Enchanted Studio Scraps - which is closed) URL?
All of it, some of it?? I'm interested in you explaining that comment further. Does it change your opinion if you know that there are several designers there who make just as much as those at "the sweetest shoppe"? And no, I do not sell there.
http://www.digitalscrapbookingstudio.com/store/
Heck, show me a store that is stable, no drama, and has designers making consistently $1000 a month, and I'll go apply within minutes!
(ok maybe a consistent $250 a month is more realistic?)
#19 - SBG. Despite what people on here say, it has no drama. The only drama it has is created by the people on this blog.
As for Sara's post, I didn't see anything wrong with it. She was right on all counts and if some poor little designer got their feelings hurt, too bad, boo hoo. Deal with it, you're a business woman now and we can't all hold hands and sing kumbaya all the time.
I've had things said to me in the real working world in a truly rude manner, that post was cupcake.
Oh, and for those obvious little posters, no, I'm not Sara.
SBG can definitely create drama. Seen it before in the designer area, more than once so I don't think it is ONLY from people on this blog. Next?
#21 - it's only in the designer area and not in public, it doesn't count. Next.
#22 - if a designer wants to apply to a "good" store, everything counts, even in the designer area.
#19: My store is stable, has no drama, and most of the designers make over $1K per month. ;)
Why the heck not? If we're talking about places to go apply, then yes, what happens in the designer area counts.
#24 - maybe you could have mentioned the store name instead of saying YOU sell there!
The studio is no where near as good as it used to be. They have changed the site so much in the last few years you can hardly recognize it. It used to be stone accent studio if anyone can remember back that far...lol.
When I used to design, and I was in several stores, not one of them ever had drama. I think some people just see drama where there isn't any. I was even at PDW with Holly and she was great. No drama at all.
I so do not understand why designers CT for other designers/ stores. It just doesn't make sense to me—isn't it a conflict of interest to CT for a competitor???
#26: After the way the Shoppe designer got blasted? No, thank you.
I'm sure my store is not the only one like it.
#30 - then name others!
I don't have access to other stores' sales figures.
isn't it a conflict of interest to CT for a competitor?
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It's digi scrap, not law.
Not not a law but not right either. When you all mention conflict of interest...the only thing that pops in my head is scrap take out and how all those asmin girls are going to work for both it and GS??? Not right!!!!
There's nothing wrong with a designer who CTs for another designer. Most designers are, or at least started out as, scrappers themselves. I'm a designer and I still shop for kits, should that be disallowed, too, because I should only use my own products? There's no difference between me buying a kit, using it, posting my layout in a gallery w/ credits. . . . . and me getting a kit from another designer on a CT, using it, posting my layout in a gallery w/ credits. Same thing the only difference being that I didn't have to pay for the kit in one scenario. If I am going to do all of those things either way, then why not be on a CT?
#34 - It's entirely up to the designers involved. If one designer wishes to CT for another one at a different store, what difference does that make to you and how is 'not right'?
Re: comments 7-10, about a year ago a few designers all left TDC, I remember it was right around or a month or two after NSD. They went to SO and SM, and everyone made a big deal about it and questioned what was going on with TDC and assumed that SO and SM were better stores. A year later TDC is about the same as ever and seems stable, and one of those designers from last year's departures even ended up going back (Elise's Pieces). Designers come and go, it happens everywhere and isn't anything new or even noteworthy, as long as a store still has reputable and talented designers. I'd say that's the difference between what's happening at FPD and what happens in general elsewhere. Look at SSD even, they just lost 4 or 5 designers last month and they seem fine too. That's my opinion anyway. Designers leaving TDC wouldn't scare me off, I still think it would be a way better place to sell than where I am now.
I don't think that it is right or wrong…I just don't see it as being smart business. With how saturated the digi market is, I don't see how providing free advertising for a competing store/ designer is beneficial. Maybe if you are designing/selling as a hobby…
love that this is a smack blog, but when people 'smack' everyone else gets all uptight about it and smacks the smacker...seems like a pointless waste of time ;)
#39 - your post was a pointless waste of time.
Carry on.
#40—you need to lighten up and learn what sarcasm is
#41 - I know what sarcasm is and I didn't see any. Maybe you need to lighten up? How about that?
To 38 - the point that was made by 35 is valid. Most designers who post in galleries believe that things should be credited, because they design and they know the value. So for those designers who scrap, they'll be doing that anyway. It's not bad business to put scrapbook pages in a gallery unless you feel that people won't buy your kits if they see pages made by another designer and if you feel that way, you probably aren't a good enough designer to hold a customer base anyway.
I CT for a few designer friends, and I don't feel that their success will erode mine at all. Not in the slightest. I do well, I make money, and I like scrapping with their products. Win-win for everyone.
Amen #43. I couldn't agree more. Some designers and stores so insecure and/or paranoid.
* are so insecure...
To 38 - the point that was made by 35 is valid. Most designers who post in galleries believe that things should be credited, because they design and they know the value. So for those designers who scrap, they'll be doing that anyway. It's not bad business to put scrapbook pages in a gallery unless you feel that people won't buy your kits if they see pages made by another designer and if you feel that way, you probably aren't a good enough designer to hold a customer base anyway.
I CT for a few designer friends, and I don't feel that their success will erode mine at all. Not in the slightest. I do well, I make money, and I like scrapping with their products. Win-win for everyone.
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maturity is refreshing
Is anyone willing to post "good" stores since nothing good has been posted a out any?
I really do want a serious answer....from the view of the designer and scrapper?
Any takers.
There's a big difference between a designer cting for another designer and a designer taking on an admin position while they are in the process of opening their own store without letting the store owner know (which is what Jen did). And then proceeding to ask the entire ct and quite a few designers to come over to their "new shop".
If the person is doing their job on my ct, I don't care if they are a designer. If they do good work and do it well and on time then why not have them on your team?
maturity is refreshing
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Like cheese. There's been plenty of maturity, no need to single one out.
#47
The problem with posting which are "good stores" is that everyone has an opinion, and everyone's is different.
I like SSD, even though people here rip on it. I like TLP too.
The "good" stores asked for are not only based on opinion: no drama, stable, significant income. Those are a bit more concrete and tangible than mere opinion, which everyone has, as you stated (and we should know that everyone will not agree on opinions).
I also like SSD though the kits in general have disappointed me lately.
I know a lot of people like TLP. It's not my style at all but seems like a great place.
I think SSD is putting out kits which are looking all the same to me.
I loved SSD for years, but I have to agree, in the past several months there hasn't been anything I've liked.
I also think good stable stores include: After Five, Oscraps, Scrap Orchard, MScraps. I don't know much about Pickleberry Pop or Gotta Pixel but they seem OK.
Can't say there is much effort put into the site at After 5 - just take a look at their staff page !
I agree with 38: Scrapping for another designer when you could be promoting your own products seems silly. Particularly a designer at another store.
It doesn't get mentioned a lot, but I really like DHD. Some people have said stuff about quality here, but I've never experienced that.
DHD?
Design House Digital I assume?
I am not sure what the top tier stores are but here is where I spent my iNSD money in order of money spent.... Lilypad, A5D, SSD,Cat Scrap and SO. SO would have gotten more money than Cat Scrap and probably SSD if they would have had an actual sale but I wasn't interested in most of the items in the farmers market so I only spent a few dollars.
I think DHD is Design House Digital.
I like Gotta Pixel and have seen no drama. I know others like to rip the owner apart but I've been a customer there for over 5 years and have never had a problem. Designers move around - but where don't they? They keep a good mix of styles from beginning to fantasy to advanced. The place has apparently been around for quite a while. I also like The Lily Pad - I think they are very friendly and their site is easy to maneuver. Just my opinion so feel free to rip it as I'm sure some will feel the need to do. I'm not a designer either so if there's backroom drama anywhere, I wouldn't know about it - which is how it should be.
gotta pixel seems nice, but the owner is TERRIBLE about responding to emails! that is enough for me to never shop there. same with SBB...if the owner can't even respond to an email, then they surely won't get my money!
I spent my iNSD money at TDC, SSD, SO, A5, and 3 individual designer's personal shop sites. In that order. While I hadn't looked at it this way before posting that, I do think that those 4 main stores are some of the most stable stores that have regular new releases and a variety of styles at each store so they each appeal to a broad customer base. So it's probably not an accident that I spent my money there this past weekend.
I spent money (in order of $$ spent) at SSD, TLP, TDC, and 1 designer's personal store this weekend. I looked elsewhere, but there wasn't much I liked. I boycott stores and designers who have personally provided me with poor service or poor interactions, and it continues to grow, so I'm running out of places to buy from anyway.
She handpaints her products herself huh?
http://www.design2create.nl/images/PU/Joelle_SpringGlorie-Prev1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sz_qQ4FLELE/TYlCH9l2RoI/AAAAAAAALY0/z3DZMWQzL6M/s1600/easter%2Bbunny%2Bprintable%2Bvintage%2Bimage--graphicsfairy007.jpg
We take picture 2, we extract it in PS and use the smudgetool to make it look painted. If she really painted it she would add bunnyfeet to it , but she couldn't cause on the actual picture it has no feet too. And that picture is © too!
It doesn't get mentioned a lot, but I really like DHD. Some people have said stuff about quality here, but I've never experienced that.
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I agree. I think that the quality at DHD is great, and the community they have there is nice as well. The forums aren't super active, but they are drama free—and they have lots of sales, which my wallet likes :)
"gotta pixel seems nice, but the owner is TERRIBLE about responding to emails!"
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I've dealt with GP's customer support several times and have never sent an email to do so. They have a ticket system. I'm not even sure the owner does the customer service as it's always been a guy who replies to my problems. I've also never had an issue with them answering me quickly.
It annoys me big time that big stores don't reply back on e-mails, when they have in big letters saying they're all for customer service and get back to you asap or in 24 hours...long 24 hours if it takes weeks or no reply at all.
There's a big difference between a designer cting for another designer and a designer taking on an admin position while they are in the process of opening their own store without letting the store owner know (which is what Jen did). And then proceeding to ask the entire ct and quite a few designers to come over to their "new shop".
If the person is doing their job on my ct, I don't care if they are a designer. If they do good work and do it well and on time then why not have them on your team?
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I have a thought about this - if Ginger from Ginger Scraps was a great owner, do you think her designers and CT would have left for the new store? I don't.
Wondering who the "individual designers" were that #65 and #66 bought from? I'm assuming they're ones who are at stores where you like none of the other designers.
I shop more by designer than by store because there aren't many stores where I like several designers. So I've never cared who sells where, I follow those designers' blogs and subscribe to their personal newsletters and facebook pages and that's how I shop. When I first started digi I looked at entire stores but not anymore.
#63 here again - Yes, GP has a ticket system for customer support issues. I just checked under their contact section and it takes you to a support ticket screen. So perhaps that's why you don't hear back from your emails - because there's no published email address.
Anyone know who does QC at sugar hill lately? Getting so frustrated that I have to clean up nearly everything I recently purchased...ergh!!!!!
Stable stores = stores where the owners are still in charge, IMO. If an "admin" is "running the store" for the owner that's a bad sign. New owners are always wild cards, too. Sometimes they revive a dead store, other times they just think it will "be fun" to own a store then they lose interest once they realize it's a lot of work.
Curious which designers you are buying from lately.
Stable stores = stores where the owners are still in charge, IMO. If an "admin" is "running the store" for the owner that's a bad sign.
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I agree and disagree on this one. JessicaSprague is mostly run by admin, and I think her shop is pretty stable and successful. In a way it is almost more stable with admin running it...
Off-topic, but I have a Facebook question I hope someone could help me with. I recently joined, & while using it the other day, a message popped up saying I must enter a mobile phone number in order to continue with the account.
I don't want to give my phone number to Facebook (do they really need to know every single private detail of my life??), but it won't let me log in further without it. Any way to get around it, or is this just a necessity for signing up at Facebook & this type of website??
It seems nowadays that every single website demands so much personal info about you that doesn't seem necessary. I know that many people may not be concerned about this, but I really try to limit the amount of personal info I put online. Any tips or suggestions? Thanks :)
May 6, 2012 7:16:00 PM
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Thank you to those who answered the above post.
#77 in JessicaSprague's case she's still running her store, but she has people doing work for her. Lots of store owners have a small team of people who handle individual areas under the owner's supervision. I think the problem is when the site owner is basically gone and has someone else running things for her.
I'm with 77. If the "admin" is a visible part of the site, I don't see why that's a downfall. Who says owners have to do everything? We don't expect that IRL businesses, so why would we expect that from online ones?
I'm #66 and I bought from Dani Mogstad. I'm not sure why she left SSD and I don't really care. I like her products and her store was super easy to purchase from, so I'll continue to buy her stuff via her personal store.
Life is what happens while you're busy scrapping.
Look. We found Jesus.
It's a free kit, but it wouldn't want to make me shop there:
http://qualitydigiscrapfreebies.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/yesterdays-jam-full-kit-freebie-from.html
#71 Not necessarily. If Ginger didn't make a big deal about it, I doubt anyone would really think it was anything other than just JenY opening a new store.
Most people didn't even know she was an admin there except, I'm assuming based on the conversation in here, the designers themselves. If Ginger didn't explain it then I doubt any of the ct there would've even realized how devious it was. I imagine Ginger wouldn't really want people thinking she was oblivious to the fact that her own admins were opening a new store while they had their hands in her database.
And anyone who did know and went over there anyway I won't buy from. Obviously those people don't have an ounce of integrity or sound judgement.
And anyone who did know and went over there anyway I won't buy from. Obviously those people don't have an ounce of integrity or sound judgement.
Spot on. I am flabbergasted that Jen and Shannon did this all, behind the scenes. I thought Shannon was a close friend of Ginger's, but "close friends" don't do something like that to each other. Not if they care anything at all about the friendship.
Disgusting.
I don't see what you believe JY did that was so wrong here. It's not like she went into the store database and downloaded customers. Anyone can see who the designers are at a store and contact them.
I do still believe that the designers would not have gone to STO if they were happy with Ginger. They would have all been shocked and upset about JY opening a new store and not followed her.
Also I believe that a fairly well known designer who makes a big deal out of going exclusive doesn't do so to leave in a month. If she left right away it's for a very good reason ... which again points to Ginger.
Spot on. I am flabbergasted that Jen and Shannon did this all, behind the scenes. I thought Shannon was a close friend of Ginger's, but "close friends" don't do something like that to each other. Not if they care anything at all about the friendship.
^^^
You are right, close friends don't do this. Perhaps you should entertain the idea that Shannon had a reason.
I'm #66 and I bought from Dani Mogstad. I'm not sure why she left SSD and I don't really care. I like her products and her store was super easy to purchase from, so I'll continue to buy her stuff via her personal store.
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Ditto this. I'm #66 and I also bought from Dani. I hope she made a killing over the weekend. No idea why she left SSD, but I hope her personal store venture goes well for her, she's one of my favorite designers. I also bought from Gina Cabrera and Rachael's Scraps.
OMG my post was supposed to say "I'm #65". Typo, sorry.
Really #84?? Get turned down to design or CT there?? I thought it was cute and one of the better on the blogtrain even if it was annoying that you had to go through 4shared to download - all stores should be able to direct link so I find that really odd.
Who left GS to do go STO? Didn't realize anyone did.
#91 - I didn't think it was cute, so that makes me jealous? I have no interest in CTing or designing, try again sweetheart and do try to come up with an original response next time.
The colors are awful and the kit itself is just blah. Seen it all before.
They didn't pick the colors you twit - it was part of the DSA blogtrain.
92, I don't think anyone did, other than Shannon.
#94 - I never said they picked the colors, I said the colors were hideous.
I note you completely failed to address the issue of seen it all before. But it's quite clear you have a limited thinking capacity, so I shouldn't have expected anything more.
#96 - what are you, the fucking brain police?
Oh BTW - I said WHAT on purpose before you try and correct me you grammar nazi.
Who cares if you've "seen it all before," point me to anything new in digiscrap - there isn't. It's all been done and done again. Point at any product and you can find several other similar in theme, colors, type of product, take your pick. Save the smacking for the truly hideous and low quality crap that gets churned out every day. If I was going to smack a kit, that certainly wouldn't have been my first choice as there are many things much more smack worthy out there. So with that being the case and since the blogtrain was already discussed and that was a random comment that had nothing to do with the current conversation, it comes back around to the fact that you must have something personal against the place or you would have picked something that was really worth smacking. And if it's not something personal, then I question your ability to discern between what is exceptional, mediocre, and crap.
I must have something personal against the place I don't even know the place!
I happened to stumble across it and posted it because I thought it was hideous.
Just because I disagree with you, doesn't mean I lack the ability to discern between the exceptional, mediocre and crap, maybe you lack that discernment.
#97 - what is your problem? Settle down sweetheart. You may hurt yourself.
Now I'm a grammar nazi? How the heck did you arrive at the conclusion? I mean, I know you are very good at jumping to conclusions, which is good, as it's probably the only exercise you get. You certainly don't exercise your brain.
Wasn't Marie H. at Gingerscraps and she's going to STO?
#101 She left GS and went to MSS now is supposed to be going to STO.
Oh BTW - I said WHAT on purpose before you try and correct me you grammar nazi.
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I really do wish people wouldn't use this word. My grandparents were victims of the holocaust.
Oh geezus...
oh baloney 103 LOL
It's a matter of think before you speak. Nazi is a really strong word and has terrible and horrific connotations for a lot of people. So many words are no longer used, yet this one is not only constantly used, it's constantly misused.
Nazi is a god in Sumerian mythology, one of the eight deities born to relieve the illness of Enki. While he was born from a god Nazi was believed to be a man.[1] He was the consort of the goddess Nindar
oh baloney 103 LOL
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why baloney? You don't know me, you don't my family history, you have no idea at all. What a sad person you are.
Nazi is a god in Sumerian mythology, one of the eight deities born to relieve the illness of Enki. While he was born from a god Nazi was believed to be a man.[1] He was the consort of the goddess Nindar
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Are you implying that the phrase grammar nazi is another way of saying word god?
No I am saying that even before Nazi was known as a political group it was a mythological god.
I know of a few gs designers going to sto and gs site ct's too...but they aren't leaving gs FOR sto. Apparently they are going to be active at both places? I don't get it...I think it's a total conflict of interest. I will not follow or subscribe to sto sites, pages, etc. they have a lot of damage control ahead of them.
LMAO. That you can sit and think that someone taking on an ADMIN role at the SAME time they are already in the process of opening their own store without telling anyone as anything but devious is beyond me.
JenY took on the role of admin AFTER she had already purchased the domain for her new shop. Pay attention.
I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't talk about the private goings on of the back end to boot.
This isn't the first time a person has stabbed the back of a so-called friend to get ahead it's not entirely unthinkable. Dispicable - yes, unthinkable - no.
No I am saying that even before Nazi was known as a political group it was a mythological god.
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That has no relevance to today's use of the word and you know it.
maturity is refreshing
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Like cheese. There's been plenty of maturity, no need to single one out.
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Should she had singled out your immaturity instead? You are just commenting for the sake of commenting.
#114 - as, indeed, are you.
I prefer to be called word czar over word god, personally...
Should she had singled out your immaturity instead? You are just commenting for the sake of commenting.
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Hmm, unless she's psychic, she couldn't possibly have known I was going to be immature, or not.
I hope you are aware of the irony of your comment.
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I prefer to be called word czar over word god, personally...
May 8, 2012 9:32:00 PM
^^ HA!
Does Marie H need the money or is she trying out every single low crap store, and when she don't make the amount she's aiming for applying for the next store? She's really all over the place!
Aidascraps is going to join STO
http://www.scraptakeout.com/forum/showthread.php?128-Sorry-it-was-rude!
and who may that be?!
Marie H is one of the biggest store hoppers out there. She will "retire" from designing for 2 weeks - 2 months and be back with the same juvenile recolored CU. (She's a big fan of those ugly Miss Tina kids) and SHCO in general.
If she stays in any store more than 6 months, I'd be astonished.
Good designer you are if you can't stay anywhere for longer than weeks? But as a store, would it benefit your business with a designer like that? I don't think so. Her stuff is so flat and not attractive at all.
Downloaded some freebie templates yesterday and the TIFF files were, in some instances, 10x larger in size than the PSD files. Why even bother?
#96 - what are you, the fucking brain police?
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Thanks, you made my day. That's the funniest thing I've read in a long while.
STO...what are they thinking starting a store right now...especially with all the drama surrounding it??? plus scrapping business sucks in general.
SugarHill has been quite disappointing for some time, IMO. "she" needs to let some new designers in there, because the variety just isn't there. i am tired of seeing the same stuff from the SAME designers each week. and quality has NOT been that great either lately...including from tina's stuff :(
isn't that the whole problem lately? To much of the same? Same patterns, same themes, same ol' same ol' with those flat colors. If that's the standard nowadays, gonna give up spending money on stuff.
127 are you responding to 126 and talking about CU items, because if so then why do you care what colors it comes in? You're supposed to change that if you can actually design. SMH
I haven't ever been big on Miss Tiina's CU items, anyway. There are a few designers there at Sugar Hill that I buy from regularly, because their products are more generic and easy to integrate into my designs without them screaming "CU!!!", but most of the cutesy vectors and element templates and patterns sold by a few of the designers aren't anything I would spend money on. I buy what I would say are accessory items for my kits from Sugar Hill, because the quality is almost always great and I can alter it to make it my own. But you wouldn't be seeing me spending my money on the Miss Tiina/etc items that you see in every noobie designer's kits every single week.
IMO that's the problem nowadays, too many designers who use CU as the design instead of using it as a design tool to create something of their own that stands out.
I don't see what you believe JY did that was so wrong here. It's not like she went into the store database and downloaded customers. Anyone can see who the designers are at a store and contact them.
I do still believe that the designers would not have gone to STO if they were happy with Ginger. They would have all been shocked and upset about JY opening a new store and not followed her.
Also I believe that a fairly well known designer who makes a big deal out of going exclusive doesn't do so to leave in a month. If she left right away it's for a very good reason ... which again points to Ginger.
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How do you KNOW that she didn't download the customer base? Can you prove that? As another poster said, this admin post was taken AFTER she already registered her domain at STO. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. And which designers exactly are following JY? Not a lot. Marie H the store hopper? Big deal. Integrity will always win in the end, and it won't be JY!
thank you 129...someone who finally understands what is going on around here. my understanding is that JY was fired on the spot from GS on the same day that all the stupid STO ads were getting splattered all over facebook! whether jen "stole" info from GS really isn't the point. it is the principle of the matter...she assumed some admin responsibilities at GS, while she was secretly setting up another shop. if there was nothing wrong with what she was doing, they why not tell the world about it instead of sneaking around with shannon. shameful!
How do you know JY didn't give up admin earlier and Ginger never told anyone. How does everyone know that Ginger is so innocent in all of this? Couldn't it be possible that Shannon left in April (which someone pointed out earlier), JY was going to do both designing at GS and own STO (like Ginger did at SUN). People are allowed to apply at any store they want, so if GS people are applying why is it STO's fault?
JY never intended to stay at GS. the plan was always to leave as soon as STO was up and operating, without telling G about the new store. there are messages from JY (not to me personally, but I have seen them) where she laughed about her despicable actions and discussed customer and designer sales information with non GS admin. JY may have had valid reasons for why she felt leaving was the best option, but her actions were unethical and unprofessional. That's definitely not the type of store (or people) that I would want my business reputation aligned with.
where is the like button? LOL! exactly right 132!
Well there is a difference. Was Ginger up front about owning Ginger Scraps with the owner of SUN while she designed there? Jen Y was not upfront with Ginger. She was just as suprised as everyone when all the ads were posted. If someone was running around behind my back I would not want them in my store either.
That's fine #132, you don't have to, but others have a right to decide for themselves. People need to have all the facts (and not just what has been posted her or in any forums) before they start judging. I can tell you after reading everything here only one side has been presented.
then maybe jen and/or shannon should put on their big girl panties and tell us the other side????
#134 I understand that too. But you have no idea what was said or done behind the scenes. No one does except for those involved. Also I heard that Ginger was upset when SUN told her to pick GS or them. She couldn't believe they made her choose. I'm done wasting my time with you GS people. There is way more to this story that I was just made aware of. Maybe if you took the time to find out the truth, you would be more understanding to everyone.
then maybe jen and/or shannon should put on their big girl panties and tell us the other side????
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Why? They'll just get smacked even harder for posting as themselves.
Why don't you share your truth?
Why? They'll just get smacked even harder for posting as themselves.
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Maybe that's something about this blog that needs to change, then. We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
My policy has always been to smack people who deserve to be smacked for dumb/unethical things they do. Not to smack people just for posting here as themself. Why is that alone smackworthy? Oh, because everyone else is anonymous here and feels they can be bitchy just for the sake of being bitchy. It's so dumb, and it keeps us from hearing the real story. This blog didn't used to be like that. We used to hear from the actual participants, but apparently the Happy Tits situation ruined that for everyone and now this blog is nothing but gossip with nobody who's ever involved wanting to come forward and make it worse.
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I totally agree.
Scrapbooks, Etc. is closing.
http://www.scrapbooksetc.com/blogs/iscrapuscrap/2012/05/09/a-fond-farewell/
then maybe jen and/or shannon should put on their big girl panties and tell us the other side????
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Perhaps because they are actually being professional and keeping business things confidential, as they should?
I am neither JY nor Shannon but I do know what happened and I believe if you all knew you would no longer think JY is unethical and you would never, ever, set foot at GS again.
I'm not telling you what happened because only a small group of people know and I'd probably out myself as someone who can't be trusted with information ... which I don't want to do.
I am neither JY nor Shannon but I do know what happened and I believe if you all knew you would no longer think JY is unethical and you would never, ever, set foot at GS again.
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Don't hold a bone for a dogs mouth...If you don't want to give more information than just don't say anything about it. Stirring the pot a bit more...
Why even post that you know "what really happened" if you don't plan to elaborate? Maybe ppl would stop bad mouthing Jen if someone like you (who knew the story) would enlighten us?
Nah #143 is probably just Jen or Shannon.
Why even post that you know "what really happened" if you don't plan to elaborate? Maybe ppl would stop bad mouthing Jen if someone like you (who knew the story) would enlighten us?
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I explained why I'm not elaborating. If you'd like to believe I'm Jen or Shannon go ahead, but I'm not. The reason I'm posting at all is to get you guys to think through what kind of thing would make an admin, who had been working with a site for years and was good friends with the owner and had relationships with many people on the site, suddenly jump ship.
Well you know, so enlighten us, instead of blaiming us with false assumptions...geesh
148 - I think you mean Sheesh! ;)
LOL yeah I know 149 I can't help it, I have an accent ;)
#147 - I can think of a lot of reasons why this would happen, but other than a store giving my private financial information to others, I can't think of any reason that would make me never shop at GS again.
Business relationships almost always erode over time. Just like most relationships in general.
Wow, all this drama about GS and Jen and Shannon. Personally, I couldn't give a damn. I don't know any of the parties involved and I'm betting a lot of people here don't either.
I probably wouldn't mind so much, if it wasn't for the fact that the same stuff is just being rehashed over and over and over. I mean, the exact same stuff is still being rehashed from page 1.
Let's have something new. Either about the above situation or something entirely new - and before anyone says anything, I tried bringing up something different but that didn't work.
Wow, all this drama about GS and Jen and Shannon. Personally, I couldn't give a damn. I don't know any of the parties involved and I'm betting a lot of people here don't either.
I probably wouldn't mind so much, if it wasn't for the fact that the same stuff is just being rehashed over and over and over. I mean, the exact same stuff is still being rehashed from page 1.
Let's have something new. Either about the above situation or something entirely new - and before anyone says anything, I tried bringing up something different but that didn't work.
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^^ THIS ^^
I think yurko is irrelevant as a designer. She's a wanna be Miss Tiina, not a very good one either.
#147 - I can think of a lot of reasons why this would happen, but other than a store giving my private financial information to others, I can't think of any reason that would make me never shop at GS again.
Business relationships almost always erode over time. Just like most relationships in general.
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you'll be glad to know, then, that neither xcart not zencart store your financial information, so no stores will ever do that.
Myself I have higher expectations, including honest and ethical business management. There are other reasons I stop going to stores - poor customer service, for example, or misappropriation of store funds by site owners.
I explained why I'm not elaborating. If you'd like to believe I'm Jen or Shannon go ahead, but I'm not. The reason I'm posting at all is to get you guys to think through what kind of thing would make an admin, who had been working with a site for years and was good friends with the owner and had relationships with many people on the site, suddenly jump ship.
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#147 - You don't know what you are talking about. Shannon did not all of a sudden jump ship at GS. She was pretty much scarce in the forum for months after having some personal drama with a foster child that left their family a bit fractured. It was announced well in advance that she was stepping down from her position. She was not fired and she didn't just disappear. Stop trying to stir the pot. GS has moved past this and everyone else should as well. There is no drama here so stop trying to turn it in to one.
What does everyone think about Scrapbooks etc. closing...now we are stuck with CK —I miss the day when there were several scrapbooking magazines.
#157 - doesn't bother me one way or the other. I stopped buying any scrapbooking magazines a long time ago as they all started to look the same and hardly anything ever changed in them.
There's so much inspiration online. I'd rather spend my luxury money on other things.
then maybe jen and/or shannon should put on their big girl panties and tell us the other side????
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Why? Just to satisfy a bunch of idle gossips on a smack blog? The smart thing to do is to not say anything, that's putting on the big girl panties. Responding here would be idiotic in the extreme.
"misappropriation of store funds by site owners"
Unless the store owner isn't paying their designers, the store funds are theirs to do with what they choose. So, what exactly are you talking about?
We have heard of owners who have not paid their designers, so maybe that is the situation!
Maybe that's something about this blog that needs to change, then. We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
good point
What are the names of the people & stores you keep talking about? ie. GS, JY, etc...
Unless the store owner isn't paying their designers, the store funds are theirs to do with what they choose. So, what exactly are you talking about?
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Nothing to do with that. It's ancient history
#163 - please go and read post #57 on the first page.
We're all usually in desperate need of hearing the truth behind all of the gossip, but anytime someone comes here as themself to post the truth (or their side of it) everyone makes them regret it. If we want to hear the truth from those involved, we should be more accommodating and encourage it by not acting like a bunch of assholes and smacking them just for posting here.
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Incorrect. There have been quite a few people who have come here and posted as themselves and told their version. They were not smacked around, it's only when they are behaving like idiots that they get smacked.
I don't think anyone on this blog will ever be pleased. Everyone says JY and Shannon shouldn't post their side because it'd be idiotic yet in other drama situations on the past, people bitch and say people who keep quiet and don't defend themselves are guilty and idiotic. Make up your mind people. Is it better to keep to yourself or tell your side? Either way everyone here would just rip them apart. I don't think there is any winning when it comes to being the subject of drama here. No matter what you do, you're wrong in the eyes of everyone here.
OMG people don't agree on something. What a news flash...
#167 - stop dramatizing. Not EVERYONE said they should keep quiet, I think two people did. I always say they should keep quiet, how that's for making up my mind.
And not EVERYONE will rip them apart either. Some will and some won't.
And what's this crap about winning? This isn't a contest you know.
Are you watching too much Housewives? I think you are.
WINNING!
haha I just had a Charlie Sheen moment....
#170, so did I LOL
Unless the store owner isn't paying their designers, the store funds are theirs to do with what they choose. So, what exactly are you talking about?
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Do owners only pay designers with store funds? Do they pay other people?
Ginger wanted to become partners with Shannon, she wanted Shannon to buy half of GS. Shannon didn't want that, so she left.
172 - any banner ads, etc come from store funds. Some store admins get paid. Hosting fees, etc. need to be paid.
Ginger wanted to become partners with Shannon, she wanted Shannon to buy half of GS. Shannon didn't want that, so she left.
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That's a nice fairytale.
#175 ^^
I would be curious about the real reason why JY and S left GS.
I'm sure both parts are not innocent (but who is innocent ? LOL)
Me, I'm innocent. I had nothing to do with Jen, Shannon or Ginger!
I would be curious about the real reason why JY and S left GS.
I'm sure both parts are not innocent (but who is innocent ? LOL)
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JY left because she was fired.
Shannon left because she was offered a job to manage a designer's CT.
JY left because she was fired.
Shannon left because she was offered a job to manage a designer's CT.
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Also a nice fairytale. I think Ginger must be posting these.
I'm curious to know what makes you think the comments above are "a nice fairytale".
If you know otherwise, please enlighten us.
#175 and #179 - if you are the same person, or even two different people, post what you know or keep quiet. This whole pseudo attitude of 'I know something you don't know' is wearying.
agree with #181
agree with #153
This whole pseudo attitude of 'I know something you don't know' is wearying.
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This whole GS, JY, Shannon thing is wearying.
JY left because she was fired.
Shannon left because she was offered a job to manage a designer's CT.
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Hi Ginger *wave* Keep on believing your lies
Hi Lime, are you still "designing"?
Serious question for designers. When you're leaving a store, how much detail do you go into for your reason? for example- absent owner, lack of advertising, etc
Just give them the reason why you're leaving, owners can learn from that too 187. It's sometimes a hard thing to do, but it's your business so if the store's not working for you, than just say so.
Just give them the reason why you're leaving, owners can learn from that too 187. It's sometimes a hard thing to do, but it's your business so if the store's not working for you, than just say so.
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Sure, and when you give them the real honest reason why, they come here crying, whining and talking shit like one is doing right now
and who's problem would that be? Not the problem of the designer.
Yet, the only one that will be named is the designer who might have just revealed the truth. This is the "problem" with an anonymous post: nobody can really trust what is said since it could be accurate, or totally wrong, or anywhere in between with part truth and part assumptions and guesses.
Too bad factual discussions between non-anonymous posters rarely stay civil and respectful. That is what we need, but it is unlikely it will even happen (even if we did, someone would create an anon blog to smack them anyways).
I gave my honest reason why I left a store and the owner made my life a living hell. I was told I had a spot at another store, then I was told I didn't. She spread lies about me to everyone who would listen and ruined my reputation in the eyes of people who listened to her.
My reason was quite simply I didn't agree with some changes made and while I didn't expect them to be changed back for me, I didn't feel I could stay at the shop. I was professional and honest and had no hard feelings leaving. But that wasn't enough for the store owner.
My advice is just keep it short and sweet. You do NOT have to give a reason to leave a store. You just have to give them the notice requested in your contract. That is all. Leave it at that.
professional store owner who can't cope with designers leaving for what ever reason. Really suits her!
But makes life harder for the designer who WAS professional.
Jen was fired she didn't just leave. Although I imagine she would have jumped ship without telling anyone until the last minute. Remember Inspiration Lane?
Any way you slice it, Jen took the admin position when she knew she was opening her own store and didn't tell Ginger. Bottom Line, that's unethical business practice. I'd be more worried about Jen having my personal information than Ginger.
It's a fact that she participates on the smack blog, so I would bet she's at least one of the people trying to hush it up. Wouldn't you if you were opening a new store and had been shady about it?
I really don't care about what Jen did or didn't do. We will never know unless she comes and tells us her side. Can we just move on? Please?
I'm #192. My comment was based on #187 request. I wasn't commenting on the drama at GS. I don't sell there. I'm not sure if I was confusing or not, but I didn't want it inferred I was commenting on their store.
Sorry about that!
I do not tell owners why I'm leaving, although last one I wanted to tell her what a shitty greedy owner she was. But I didn't.
IF Jen Yurko was a good designer, I possibly could see the drama here. But she's not. And no one but her and those of you desperate for gossip care about her, her store, what she did, or why she did it. I'm sure it makes her feel good to think that she's some big scrap celebrity, but admit it to yourselves, this situation does not affect your life in the slightest. But then, neither does any of the other BS we talk about on here.
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IF Jen Yurko was a good designer, I possibly could see the drama here. But she's not. And no one but her and those of you desperate for gossip care about her, her store, what she did, or why she did it. I'm sure it makes her feel good to think that she's some big scrap celebrity, but admit it to yourselves, this situation does not affect your life in the slightest. But then, neither does any of the other BS we talk about on here.
May 10, 2012 2:37:00 PM
^^THIS
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